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Bizz

Posted 2009-05-20 6:57 PM (#116057)
Subject: I'm getting confused

Hi everyone,

A quick introduction of myself.
I am a man, 31 years of age, living in Holland aka The Netherlands.
When i was around 13 years of age i became interested in magic, white magic that is.
From the local library i got some books one called "The Key to Magic" (translated from dutch, in my language its called "sleutel tot de magie").
I was very interested in one particular chapter called "Astral Projection". This was 18 years ago. The documentation then was very little and the information from these books were a bit difficult to understand. All sorts of symbols and rituals. For instance to Astral Project one had to do a complex ritual every night for over 2 weeks at a certain time of the night. Not only was this to much work for me i also didn't knew any other person who could share me their experiences so i would know it could be done. So i dropped it.
Well, its 2009 now and with the internet a lot more information is accessible. And that's where my problem starts.
I have tried to study a bit of everything. Yoga meditation, Kabbalah, Zen, Mer-Ka-Ba, etc. And watched hours of video documentation. I know now that meditation is the basis of almost every spiritual aspect. So that's where i focus. But i am getting confused with all the different tactics and information.
One says you have to sit down with your legs crossed, your back strait and your eyes closed. Another tells me i can sit, lay down or stand up whatever suits me best. A third one advices me to focus on a candle light (eyes open). The information about clearing my mind also differs. Using music, concentrating on a particular object or person, shouting, taking a bath, etc. I even read smoking weed or other softdrugs (Since i live in a softdrugs paradise i tried that also without succes).
Then i get to the point where i should get loose from my body, again a lot of different ways.
Now to make a long story short. What is the best, if possible easiest way, to meditate and clear my mind? I tried everything above for over 4 weeks now, 2 to 3 hours a day. Concentrating on a flame got me the best result so far. Although i am not sure if this was meditation or just focusing on one point so it looked a bit spiritual to me.
I am slowly losing faith in this spiritual ability. Could it be that not every person can meditate correctly or just isn't able to meditate? I have read several stories of people who succeeded in becoming one with their spirit. I would like to experience this also and before 2012 if possible.
All comments are welcome, please guide me.
I apologize for the long text, i just like to type

Hopefully we meet each other one day in another world.

Posted 2009-05-21 4:04 PM (#116077 - in reply to #116057)
Subject: RE: I'm getting confused

Meditation

We experience our perceptions, not what actually is. All our perceptions are subjective and we can perceive almost anything that we believe by filtering out everything that does not fit our beliefs. The exterior world projects itself on our minds and our minds project their content on the exterior world. It is vital to perceive our world as objectively as possible and not color our perceptions with our prejudices, both personal and cultural. Only then can we act and react in our own best interest and in the best interest of others and our environment. Direct perception (seeing without editorial comment, judgment, condemnation, identification, memory or desire) is as close to reality as we can get. Once our minds start interpreting, we get further and further from reality.

The observer and the observed are the same. They are both your mind. Even though what you observe may have an independent existence, what you are observing is in your mind, created by your mind. Your thoughts are your mind. The “you” that observes those thoughts is also your mind.

Your eyes see a flower. They don’t actually see the flower, but they do see light that is reflected off the flower. Some of that light forms an image which travels through the optic nerve to the brain and is recreated by your mind in your mind. Your mind creates an experience and interprets it, calls it a flower, defines it as a rose, judges its qualities, remembers happy or unhappy memories related to roses, and your body reacts to those memories by tensing or relaxing, secreting various hormones and you experience various emotions. This entire movie that you just created is now stored in your mind and body. It has very little to do with the reality, the flower.

What happens if you see a flower and don’t name it, don’t use words in your head about it, don’t involve memory or desire, just see it? Find out for yourself! This is meditation.

Sitting meditation- Just sit with your eyes closed and see what happens. Do not make anything happen. Do not stop anything from happening. Just watch without comment.

Breath meditation – Sit quietly with your eyes closed and breathe calmly through your nose. Watch and experience the air entering your nostrils, filling your lungs, and exiting. Repeat as long as you want. Just observe.

Listening meditation – Sit quietly, close your eyes, and just listen, really listen to a piece of music or to nature. (Classical music, whether Eastern or Western, usually works best because of its more developed form). Focus on what you are hearing in the present moment.

Science meditation-Sit quietly with your eyes closed and contemplate the vastness of space and the universe, or the worlds within worlds down to atoms and beyond.

Nature meditation-Find a quiet spot in nature. With your eyes open, using the flower technique above, just observe.
Physical meditation-Totally immerse yourself in a creative physical activity with a minimum of mental chatter and maximum openness to discovery. Examples:
Singing or playing a musical instrument
Art
Dance
Intimate activity with a trusted partner

Yoga poses linked into a flow can become meditation in motion.

Your entire life can become a meditation.

I am not giving more specific instructions for meditation as it is important for each individual to find their own. You must experiment to discover. To simply follow another leads to mindless repetition not self-discovery.

Bizz

Posted 2009-05-22 6:20 PM (#116099 - in reply to #116077)
Subject: Re: I'm getting confused

Thanks for your reply jimg. That certainly helps.
I am still having trouble getting loose from my physical body. The reason might be that i am trying to hard or i am just not ready to astral project myself. But meditating is going better.

Nidlo

Posted 2009-05-28 2:40 PM (#116200 - in reply to #116057)
Subject: Re: I'm getting confused

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When meditating, Bizz, don't try. Just watch and see what happens.

/N

Edited by Nidlo 2009-05-28 2:42 PM

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