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Get out and VOTE!
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Shakuhachi
Posted 2008-10-18 2:14 PM (#111442)
Subject: Get out and VOTE!


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I can't eve seem to find a third party candidate (among the many) for whom I would feel good about voting.
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tourist
Posted 2008-10-18 3:25 PM (#111445 - in reply to #111442)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!



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I changed the title on this because I think it is very important that y'all (I'm talking American for you. ) make sure to vote in your upcoming election. I don't know how much attention Americans pay to Canadian politics - ok, I do. None at all. And frankly, our recent election was such a snooze, it is no wonder we had the lowest voter turnout since Confederation. So embarrassing and sooooo frustrating! Now it just doesn't feel like we had an election at all except that our country had to spend a ton of money to put the stupid thing on.

Don't let this happen to you! No matter which end of the political spectrum you live on, please make use of your most basic right and vote. Remember, there are people in this world - lots of them - who are dying for the right that we in North America take for granted.
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Posted 2008-10-18 8:49 PM (#111449 - in reply to #111442)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!


Seldom if ever do I disagree with Tourist; however, as for U.S. elections, PLEASE, if you don't give a darn and don't know the issues, do NOT vote. Ignorance is bliss--but don't foist that on those who care.
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tourist
Posted 2008-10-19 11:24 AM (#111453 - in reply to #111449)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!



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Well Bruce, I am making a completely valid assumption that yoga.commers are intelligent, thoughtful, politically aware people. Maybe not the d*mn spammers, but everybody else.
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Orbilia
Posted 2008-10-20 6:39 AM (#111470 - in reply to #111453)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!


I have little patience with those who don't vote, claiming that they have no interest in politics and yet then go on to rant about any one or more of a number of 'hot' political topics (the economy, fuel prices, the lack of affordable mortgages, parking restrictions, de yada, yada).

Wake up! People died to give you the right to self-determination. The least any one can do is to get off their fat arse, get educated on the candidates, and go vote!!!!!

Ok, rant over :-)

Fee
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Cyndi
Posted 2008-10-20 8:15 AM (#111472 - in reply to #111470)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!



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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC		Well, if Tourist is right and all you Yoga.comers are intelligent....you'll vote for OBAMA!!

For what it's worth....This Independent voter has recently hooked up with all the democrat ladies in my town. They found my jewlery store. I got some really nice animal jewelry for sale...along with my yard sign, t-shirt and buttons. Still waiting on my car sticker,


Edited by Cyndi 2008-10-20 8:18 AM
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kulkarnn
Posted 2008-10-20 8:51 AM (#111475 - in reply to #111442)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!


I agree with Orbilla. I was of the type of NO voting until last year and I apologize for that. Now, i realize that there are ONLY two candidates to choose from, and I must NOT let the WORST get its way in, just like the last election. So, I am going to vote. I am going to Chicago that day for convention, therefore, I am voting in Absence.


There is NO question that this election shall decide where America stands: a) economically b) intelligently c) humanistically and d) internationally.



Edited by kulkarnn 2008-10-20 8:52 AM
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belle vie
Posted 2008-10-20 9:50 AM (#111476 - in reply to #111442)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!


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I agree with all of you. It is necessary that everyone with an intelligent, studied opinion get out and vote. To expand on Bruce's point, however, if you haven't thought out the issues, if you think all politicians are useless crooks, even if you cannot in all honesty decide whom to vote for, then do not vote. Don't mess it up for the rest of us who feel deeply about the direction the US is taking.

But those of you who don't vote, don't complain about the state of things, that state is partly your fault.

For those who cannot decide between the two presidential candidates after having considered the issues, at least vote in your local elections. I voted absentee ballot because I live in France but the local issues of my home town are still important to me. Those issues impact directly on our lives, education environment, taxes, health issues. By focusing on local issues, you undecided ones, you may see a way of understand national issues. This may help you reach an intelligent decision about the presidential race.

But them, I'm preaching to the choir so I'll get down from my soap box
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tourist
Posted 2008-10-20 10:17 AM (#111481 - in reply to #111476)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!



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belle - you must go to a pretty sad little church if they only give you a soap box to preach from.

We are having our municipal elections soon and I am not nearly as informed about those candidates as I am about the national ones. And I think in many ways, local politics is more important, so it is time for me to do some research....
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Orbilia
Posted 2008-10-20 11:30 AM (#111486 - in reply to #111481)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!


Hear, hear Belle!

I feel the same way about those that moan about stuff like the council not fixing a pot hole but look at you blankly when you ask if they've told the council it needs doing. Sheesh, do they think there are swathes of council officials out inspecting the streets every day?!

REF "But those of you who don't vote, don't complain about the state of things, that state is partly your fault" -

"The only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke (but he many have been quoting Plato) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Burke

I always look at the stated policies of each of the candidates parties rather than looking at the guys and gals themselves, especially for the national elections. For locals, I do like the candidates to make some effort to tell me about themselves and their policies. At our last council elections, only two parties of the 6 standing sent me any mail at all and only one told me about their candidate. No brainer as to which I voted for.

The UK's general elections see the manifestos of all parties posted on the government's web-site as well as the usual TV stuff. I also check Hansard (Parliament's record of procedure) to see how often my current MP was a) in the house, b) posted a question, c) voted on my behalf. Any MP noticeable by their lack of attendance, or effort on my behalf, loses my vote.

Fee

Edited by Orbilia 2008-10-20 11:38 AM
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kulkarnn
Posted 2008-10-20 12:31 PM (#111489 - in reply to #111476)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!


France: Where? I am going to Paris in April/May timeframe.

belle vie - 2008-10-20 9:50 AM

I agree with all of you. It is necessary that everyone with an intelligent, studied opinion get out and vote. To expand on Bruce's point, however, if you haven't thought out the issues, if you think all politicians are useless crooks, even if you cannot in all honesty decide whom to vote for, then do not vote. Don't mess it up for the rest of us who feel deeply about the direction the US is taking.

But those of you who don't vote, don't complain about the state of things, that state is partly your fault.

For those who cannot decide between the two presidential candidates after having considered the issues, at least vote in your local elections. I voted absentee ballot because I live in France but the local issues of my home town are still important to me. Those issues impact directly on our lives, education environment, taxes, health issues. By focusing on local issues, you undecided ones, you may see a way of understand national issues. This may help you reach an intelligent decision about the presidential race.

But them, I'm preaching to the choir so I'll get down from my soap box
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Posted 2008-10-20 1:56 PM (#111496 - in reply to #111442)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!


I would like to share an article that I enjoyed because it deals with the substance of this election rather character assassination, innuendo and obvious manipulation:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/164498

I also encourage all of you to become informed and vote. There are many big issues at stake in this election that will affect the direction of the global society that we live in. The old answers (both Republican and Democrat) do not fit the current world. We now live in a world where we are all connected and we need new solutions, NOT tired old dogma from another time. America is now part of an ever-increasingly connected world where we (Americans) need to learn how to be a leading member, not a schoolyard bully. We all need to get past ideology and start focusing on pragmatic solutions based on consensus that work for everyone. Become informed and get out and vote for the candidate whose vision and solutions (NOT election year slogans or emotionalism) most agree with your own well thought out positions!
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Orbilia
Posted 2008-10-21 5:39 AM (#111518 - in reply to #111496)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!


Thanks for the link. I agree with what you say about doing your own research and reading before forming an opinion too.

Fiona
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Cyndi
Posted 2008-10-21 9:01 AM (#111519 - in reply to #111518)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!



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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC		I like this article too. He states everything clearly! I also enjoyed watching Maria Shriver on Larry King Live last night. She was great. She also mentioned that her and Arnold did not agree, but she pointed out about how important it was to remain respectful of each other's choices. I liked that alot.

Anyway, I've decided that whoever gets elected, it simply means that our country was not ready for change and that they need more time (even though we don't have much time to play around with) and I am working on accepting whatever the outcome may bee. One thing will be for sure, if McCain is elected, I will not be watching much news. If I have to listen to his voice and watch his body movements, it will drive me CRAZY!!!! I was so hoping that we could have Obama, just to have some stability, discipline, and most importantly....someone with young vibrant "POSITIVE" energy! Oh well..
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belle vie
Posted 2008-10-21 9:24 AM (#111521 - in reply to #111442)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!


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Hello Neel.

I live in the South of France in a tiny village near Montpellier so come on down! I could even get to Paris (what's going on there Yoga wise?). The TGV high speed train gets me to the center of Paris in 3 1/2 hours and if you are really clever on the internet you can get a roundtrip first class ticket for under 100 euros---second class costs 120-170 euros They throw in the tour through rural France free.

Everyone, get out and vote!
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kulkarnn
Posted 2008-10-21 11:40 AM (#111528 - in reply to #111521)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!


One person fom Paris who does astanga style practice was in us and studied with me for 2 weeks. she wnts me to go there in apri-may timeframe. i also have one other person from france. Look 4 Cecil Poyet on my site.


Hello Neel.

I live in the South of France in a tiny village near Montpellier so come on down! I could even get to Paris (what's going on there Yoga wise?). The TGV high speed train gets me to the center of Paris in 3 1/2 hours and if you are really clever on the internet you can get a roundtrip first class ticket for under 100 euros---second class costs 120-170 euros They throw in the tour through rural France free.

Everyone, get out and vote!

Edited by kulkarnn 2008-10-21 11:41 AM
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Orbilia
Posted 2008-10-22 11:00 AM (#111534 - in reply to #111528)
Subject: Al Qaeda's Preferred Candidate


Given the number of USA e-pals who asked me after 9/11 "Why do they hate us so much?", I
thought the following informed on the mind-set of such terrorists better than many things I've read.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alqaidalinked-website-
backs-mccain-as-president-969224.html

OR//

http://tinyurl.com/6mojdp

This article references SITE. They can be found here : http://www.siteintelgroup.org/

Fee

Edited by Orbilia 2008-10-22 11:01 AM
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belle vie
Posted 2008-10-22 11:40 AM (#111543 - in reply to #111442)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!


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Thanks ,Orbilia, that's sooo reassuring How come McC doesn't use that endorsement in his campaign?

Neel, please keep me posted on your plans.
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Orbilia
Posted 2008-10-23 8:53 AM (#111557 - in reply to #111543)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!


*OMG* I'm laughing so had the drool's running down my chin, Belle!

It's kinda always been the man on the street's view in the UK that by reacting in a knee-jerk manner after 9/11, the USA were giving Al Q exactly what they wanted :-(

Fee

Edited by Orbilia 2008-10-23 8:57 AM
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Cyndi
Posted 2008-10-25 10:23 AM (#111614 - in reply to #111557)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!



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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC		Well, I voted early...for OBAMA. Go Tiger,
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tourist
Posted 2008-10-25 10:34 AM (#111616 - in reply to #111614)
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I heard last night about some of the intimidation tactics used in swing states - people being told they aren't eligible to vote if they have an unpaid parking ticket, being harassed in the line up to the polls, etc. Unbelievable! The US sends observers to other countries during elections to prevent just that sort of thing. Such a mess!
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Cyndi
Posted 2008-10-25 3:51 PM (#111620 - in reply to #111616)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!



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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC		Or the McCain devotee who faked an Obama attacker. In my town, the local democrat lady, God bless her soul here in McCain country, drives around with huge Obama signs on her vehicle. Someone pasted McCain stickers on her car. Sooo, I got me an Obama sticker and a yard sign too! Our local Sheriff is Obama all the way, yeehaw!!
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Posted 2008-10-25 5:22 PM (#111621 - in reply to #111442)
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I cancelled Cyndi's vote; sorry kiddo, had to do it.
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Cyndi
Posted 2008-10-25 6:21 PM (#111623 - in reply to #111621)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!



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Bruce - 2008-10-25 5:22 PM

I cancelled Cyndi's vote; sorry kiddo, had to do it.


No dear...I cancelled yours, and...I got 2 more to back me up, LOL!!
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tourist
Posted 2008-10-26 11:56 AM (#111631 - in reply to #111621)
Subject: RE: Get out and VOTE!



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Someone sent this to me:

While walking down the street one day a famous politician is tragically hit by a truck and dies.

His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

'Welcome to heaven,' says St. Peter. 'Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you.'

'No problem, just let me in,' says the man.

'Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.'

'Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,' says the senator.

'I'm sorry, but we have our rules.'

And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.

Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.

They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.

Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go.

Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises...

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.

'Now it's time to visit heaven.'

So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

'Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity.'

The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers: 'Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.'

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.

Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.

He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above

The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. 'I don't understand,' stammers the senator. 'Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?'

The devil looks at him, smiles and says,


'Yesterday we were campaigning...........Today you voted.'



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