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*Fifi*
Posted 2007-01-09 7:42 PM (#73458 - in reply to #68378)
Subject: RE: Christian Yoga


...and arrogant...
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Bay Guy
Posted 2007-01-09 10:03 PM (#73477 - in reply to #73458)
Subject: RE: Christian Yoga



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... there is a certain presumptive quality to the evangelist, no?
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SCThornley
Posted 2007-01-10 4:35 AM (#73500 - in reply to #73477)
Subject: RE: Christian Yoga


Bay Guy - 2007-01-09 10:03 PM

... there is a certain presumptive quality to the evangelist, no?


whether it's a southern baptist, or any non-christian religiousity bent, it's the same.

Well, if soup was all one flavor life would be boring, right?

J.A.L.A.I.D.A.M.-[just as long as it doesn't affect me] OR jalaidam.

Jalaidam is modern philosophical system that has come out of modern practical life in the face of the ongoing and never ending debate of competing belief systems that basically accepts the realization that nothing will ever change the way someone believes and so, believe whatever you want, just as long as it doesn't affect me. This is really a retread philosophy of the early USA motto of "Don't tread on me".

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GreenJello
Posted 2007-01-10 9:33 AM (#73547 - in reply to #73500)
Subject: RE: Christian Yoga


SCThornley - 2007-01-10 4:35 AM

J.A.L.A.I.D.A.M.-[just as long as it doesn't affect me] OR jalaidam.

Jalaidam is modern philosophical system that has come out of modern practical life in the face of the ongoing and never ending debate of competing belief systems that basically accepts the realization that nothing will ever change the way someone believes and so, believe whatever you want, just as long as it doesn't affect me. This is really a retread philosophy of the early USA motto of "Don't tread on me".


Ah, finally a philosophy I can get behind!
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yuvrajjj
Posted 2007-01-13 3:59 AM (#73912 - in reply to #72999)
Subject: RE: Christian Yoga


Chinese can't concede this either- same with Japanese...and just try to tell a Vietnamese that any civilizaton is superior to theirs... you'll get an old kung fu round house kick in the chest, just for starters...


how would an "old kung fu round house kick in the chest" change facts ??? all you need to do is an exhaustive research on the contributions made by anceint India to science and technology.

but I have a Vietnamese husband. And even he has to give it up to the Chinese for the kung fu. Also, this might make you mad, but the martial arts developed in India are regarded by him as... not as effective as Chinese martial arts


lol... perhaps your Vietnamese hubby would like to meet an "Ankathari" expert friend of mine equipped with an "Urumi" to see how effective Indian martial art is.







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yuvrajjj
Posted 2007-01-13 2:34 PM (#73952 - in reply to #73046)
Subject: RE: Christian Yoga


ellen - 2007-01-06 2:28 PM

My simplistic world view, when people start talking about who discovered what and what belongs to whom, is that we are all merging into one anyway, culture, beliefs, economic systems, racial categories.


Dear ellen,let me state some facts pertaining to Hinduism, ok you won't like it but keep an open mind & I hope the moderators won't take it personally, that some OBSERVANT brahmins & vaishnavs consider non-hindus & non-vegetarians as dalits (untouchables) so don't expect everyone to agree with you. I have a devil inside me as well.
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ellen
Posted 2007-01-13 3:09 PM (#73957 - in reply to #73952)
Subject: RE: Christian Yoga


yuvrajjj - 2007-01-13 11:34 AM


Dear ellen,let me state some facts pertaining to Hinduism, ok you won't like it but keep an open mind & I hope the moderators won't take it personally, that some OBSERVANT brahmins & vaishnavs consider non-hindus & non-vegetarians as dalits (untouchables) so don't expect everyone to agree with you. I have a devil inside me as well.


Dear Nick, that's ok, I don't mind : ), I just like being called "dear"
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Bay Guy
Posted 2007-01-14 3:35 PM (#74050 - in reply to #73952)
Subject: RE: Christian Yoga



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yuvrajjj - 2007-01-13 2:34 PM
ellen - 2007-01-06 2:28 PM My simplistic world view, when people start talking about who discovered what and what belongs to whom, is that we are all merging into one anyway, culture, beliefs, economic systems, racial categories.
Dear ellen,let me state some facts pertaining to Hinduism, ok you won't like it but keep an open mind & I hope the moderators won't take it personally, that some OBSERVANT brahmins & vaishnavs consider non-hindus & non-vegetarians as dalits (untouchables) so don't expect everyone to agree with you. I have a devil inside me as well. :)

It's interesting to me that this is the case.  Some temples that I visited in India were completely open to me & let me do puja. Others were not -- at one, a 13 year brahmin boy escorted me right out the door, explaining that the temple was open only to Indians (and then correcting himself to say Hindus). No point to argue with him. He then turned around asked me to give him some money on the basis that he was a brahmin boy -- go figure.  At another large temple, one of guides, an older man, after watching me for a while, interceded with the priests on my behalf. 

It's not really a point that I would care to push too much -- I'm not Indian, nor from a Hindu family, nor even terribly knowledgable on the rules and forms. If other folks are hung up about purity and consecration, I see that as their problem rather my own shortcoming. I suppose that my protestant upbringing left me with the view that Man can interact with god without first obtaining somebody else's approval.

... bg



Edited by Bay Guy 2007-01-14 4:01 PM
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ellen
Posted 2007-01-15 3:51 AM (#74088 - in reply to #73957)
Subject: RE: Christian Yoga


ellen - 2007-01-13 12:09 PM

Dear Nick, that's ok, I don't mind : ), I just like being called "dear"


Whoops, I meant yuvrajjj : )
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ellen
Posted 2007-01-15 10:15 PM (#74187 - in reply to #68378)
Subject: RE: Christian Yoga


Hi yuvrajjj,

My husband just returned from 2 1/2 weeks in Vietnam, and guess what? He told me marial arts DID ORIGINATE in India! No problem admitting it either, said it originated where Buddha came from, then they came to China and built a Shaolin temple.

Oh dear, I can see a trail of misconceptions lining my path- well, I did say the devil made me do it : )

Ellen
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osutuffy
Posted 2007-02-04 4:33 AM (#76300 - in reply to #68505)
Subject: RE: Christian Yoga


zoebird - 2006-10-30 1:26 PM

the problem with americanization of yoga is the process of trying to rip the spiritual aspect out of the physical discipline. Instead of the perspective that yoga is a spiritual practice with ap hysical component, the americanization has flipped this reality as if it's a physical practice with an optional spiritual component. Simply, this is not true. So, yes, this is problematic.

aside from this, i have no issue with the application of yoga to christianity or any other religion. while yoga has it's roots in the vedic culture, it is a discipline that can be extracted out of context and utilized in other contexts. Just as prayer, ritual, fasting, scriptural study, meditation, etc are not religion-specific, neither is yoga.

but yoga must be approached as a spiritual discipline in order to be yoga. Regardless of which religion one practices yoga within, without practicing it as a spiritual discipline, one is only practicing stretching or gymnastics.


I am coming into this argument well after it started, but I will have to say well said. I have been reading many articles about yoga and being Christian and have read everything from yoga is from Satan to yoga is not a religion but a way of life to yoga is for Hindus only, etc. I long ago decided rather than be close minded and pick a religion and practice only that belief, I would look and see what there was out there. I have been looking into how religions are related rather than their differences. Came across an article that said there are many paths to God and that peace and love were needed. I liked that thought and decided anything that can help me be more peaceful and loving I will use. Now I am not an expert on yoga but the gist of it is (from what I gather) is to make a better you, become enlightened, and all sorts of goodies

I got this from yogajournal
Niyama
Niyama, the second limb, has to do with self-discipline and spiritual observances. Regularly attending temple or church services, saying grace before meals, developing your own personal meditation practices, or making a habit of taking contemplative walks alone are all examples of niyamas in practice.

The five niyamas are:


Saucha: cleanliness

Samtosa: contentment

Tapas: heat; spiritual austerities

Svadhyaya: study of the sacred scriptures and of one's self

Isvara pranidhana: surrender to God

It goes over the limbs and branches of yoga. The article doesn't mention a particular religion. I guess it could be called Americanized. But I like it, it leaves me room to be Christian. It actually makes me want to be closer to my faith and study the Bible more, etc. I originally was going to start practicing yoga for relaxation and fitness. I have always used meditation as a form of relaxation when I used it, but never with a goal. Reading this article made me look at all the limbs and branches of yoga and see how they can apply to my life no matter what religion I am. As you stated that prayer, fasting etc are not religion specific, I don't see why yoga has to be. I think if yoga was applied to more religions it'd be a closer step to world peace As for practicing yoga without practicing a spiritual discipline is stretching, that is true. I now realize that me wanting to use it as relaxation and fitness is only a step up from stretching. I want to learn more about yoga and incorporating it into my life. Just that one article made me want to be more spiritual.

On an end note, from what I have read on yoga (I will again point out I am not an expert) but it didn't seem in any of the teachings that any of the original forms of yoga required religious intolerance. As I said I think adding yoga into our lives might help up see some more similarities and stop focusing on differences.
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BhujagaShaya
Posted 2010-04-12 10:15 AM (#122351 - in reply to #68378)
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Yoga is a word that describes the religious and spiritual practices within Hinduism. A modern "yoga class" is something different. It's often a collection of techniques like postures, movements, breathing exercises and meditation to enhanche physical and mental wellbeing. Christians are welcome to practice yoga or yoga techniques, but hopefully with respect for the religious and cultural background where yoga comes from. The custom in the east is to honour the lineage. This is also prevelant in the martial arts. Yoga is an integral part of Hinduism. That needs to be honored. We shouldn't have to cover it up and call it different names.

Edited by BhujagaShaya 2010-04-12 10:32 AM
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BhujagaShaya
Posted 2010-04-12 11:24 AM (#122353 - in reply to #68378)
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It goes over the limbs and branches of yoga. The article doesn't mention a particular religion. I guess it could be called Americanized. But I like it, it leaves me room to be Christian.


It's great that you as a Christian can get so much value out of yoga principles. I have no objection to that people of other faiths are inspired by the yoga sutra of patanjali. But I am against the policy of actively avoiding the word Hindu which according to yogajournal carries too much bagage. If I would read a story from the bible and get inspired to live my life a certain way, that wouldn't mean I became a Christian, but I would have no problem whatsoever acknowledging the Christian source of the story. Unfortunately, a lot of Americans, including the editors of yogajournal, have a big problem using the word Hindu. This has led to some peculiar choice of words in yogajournal's articles, like calling the Bhagavad Gita a Tantric work.

Edited by BhujagaShaya 2010-04-12 11:27 AM
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