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Location: A Blue State | kulkarnn - 2005-03-31 11:09 PM
And, I am not respecting Christ for what he said. I am respecting him for what he did. He did study Yoga, practiced it, and demonstrated to people that one can love others unconditionally. That is what I respect him for. Same with the Vedas, I do not respect them only for the statements. But, for the Rishis who actually got the realizations by the practices mentioned there, where one can practice them and get those experiences, exactly like Jeriwho gets in flexibility by performing Stretching Part of Yoga. Now, those who do not practice the other part, whill NOT get that experience, and can only make hollow statements about them.
Neel Kulkarni
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Well put, Brother Neel.
I am often mystified when Christians practice Christ's statement "Love thy neighbor as
thyself" as if it applies within the nave of one's church, but not while on a crowded subway
train. (Of course, such things happen in other religions, as well.)
And using just one part of a system of knowledge without trying to understand the rest
does not give you a sound basis from which to render opinions on the system.
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| sivaram - 2005-03-31 9:53 PM
But then, let's face it. As this thread amply demonstrates, many people simply express a tendency toward difference, exclusion and identifying "others', us vs. them, I-ness mine-ness... ad nauseum.
Hmm, good thing you're way beyond all that. But the problem with what she is doing---from a Christian perspective---is that she has brought marketing into Christianity under the guise of offering something that has now been "purified"from other influences. That's an old shell game in religous circles. As a Christian, (one of those exclusionary kind who believes that salvation rests in Christ alone), I cringe when I see this sort of stuff because it is nothing other than marketing, and the salesman's gimmick is religion.
The Christian Book Association (which is a conglomerate of mostly evangelical publishers) has just about destroyed serious religious publication in the USA because it has created a distribution network that first catered to fads and then started creating them. And this "praisemoves" is just one more. It has nothing to do with being a Christian. As the Lord Jesus said, It isn't what goes into a man that defiles him, but "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; they defile the man." Working your way through yoga postures and breathing effectively has nothing to do with the sin that so easily works outward from the heart, and there's no exercise cure for that, only Christ. In my opinion.
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| Neel, how do you _know_ that Jesus never said anything that contradicts Vedic Statements? Have you read His words?
And why do you think that Jesus practiced yoga? Did He practice asana? When? With whom? Wouldn't it be rather strange for a Jewish Rabbi to practice yoga?
If you are basing your ideas about Jesus on quaint stories made up centuries after His death, you won't get very far convincing me. For contrast to those fairy tales, consider that the bible has the eye-witness accounts of Jesus' life, and is the most attested ancient work in existence.
Your reasoning about the Incarnation of God into flesh as Jesus is not good, but can be improved :-). If you are interested, I can explain it, but it is complicated, and will take awhile. For now, it is sufficient to say that the divine Jesus, one of the three persons of the One God, added to His divine nature a human nature, through being born into the world as a man. While He was here, He was no less God than before or after, and yet He wore the body of a man, and indeed, became a mere man, while still being fully God, the infinite unbounded spirit. Yeah. Complicated :-).
Finally, if you do not respect Jesus for what He taught, then there is no need to assign any goodness to the man at all - just forget Him. Alternately, if you are going to respect Him, then you need to think about His words, because action originates in the mind, and the mind from which Jesus' actions came is worth understanding.
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| >> And using just one part of a system of knowledge without trying to understand the rest does not give you a sound basis from which to render opinions on the system.
INDEED!!! Very well said!!
So, let me gently assert to the kula, that if anyone is going to claim to have some regard for Jesus as a man, a teacher, or whatever, then they should exercise some intellectual honesty & attempt to come to terms with what Jesus taught.
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| kulkarnn - 2005-03-31 11:09 PM
And, I am not respecting Christ for what he said. I am respecting him for what he did. He did study Yoga, practiced it, and demonstrated to people that one can love others unconditionally. That is what I respect him for.
He never practiced yoga; there is no evidence that he did, and until you can show evidence that he did, the very notion shows that you have failed to read what Christ DID say about His ministry. He said that He had come to bring division, to turn parent against child and brother against brother. He demonstrated that God can love a sinner unconditionally, and that God can forgive any sin, for He identified Himself expressly as God, but He also said that it was impossible for any human being to please God, unless God made it possible for that person.
Again, if you say that Christ means the God in Flesh form, and NOT in Spirit, that Flesh is gone now. That means the flesh does NOT exist. This will mean God does not exist. Does this sound reasonable to you?
Again, your statement shows that you have not read the accounts of Christ. He rose from the dead and ascended, in His flesh, to heaven, and He still lives in that resurrected flesh, a conqueror over the power of the flesh, pleading with God on the behalf of His people. His flesh did not see corruption, because Christ did not sin. This Resurrection is the core of our Christian faith, and our hope and expectation is that at the end of time, we will also be resurrected with sinless bodies such as He now bears. That is the Christian teaching, and that is the Bible's account of Christ. Witnesses attested to both events (Resurrection and ascension), and they were willing to go to horrible deaths before they would change their accounts of what they saw. You still may dispute the documentation, but it does exist, and there is no documentation for what you are saying.
The purpose of Christ on earth was to conquer sin in His people and redeem them to God, not to show that sinful man has the power to do anything. Sinful man doesn't have the power to do anything to please God. That's why sinful people need Christ. That's what He taught, perhaps best encapsulated in His declaration, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
You don't have to like what He taught, and you don't have to agree with it, but we have an account from three witnesses and one historian on what He actually did say and teach, and none of them agree with your version of His mission.
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Location: A Blue State | Is it just me, or has this discussion gotten a bit warm?
Jeriwho, I completely agree with your comments about commercialism in religion,
and about the general difficulty in finding serious writing and publication in the
area. Apart from the money to be made by soft pedalling the issues, it's hard for
people to have serious discussion of a subject that evokes such strong feelings
so the easy path is not to deal with substantive issues.
I'll give everyone here tons of credit for trying to work with facts and for taking on
the harder questions.
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| Bay Guy - 2005-04-02 8:44 PM
Is it just me, or has this discussion gotten a bit warm?
I was thinking perhaps a bit "ripe"
tourist - 2005-03-31 10:55 PM
A funny example - when my kids were little, we were driving somewhere and I had a coffee or juice or something that I was drinking. One of them told me very solemnly that I was not supposed to drink and drive 
Possibly the choicest morsel here... Made my day.
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| Dear Guest and Elson:
1. How do I know that Jesus Christ practiced Yoga? Did he do Asana, pranayama, etc.?
===> That is exactly what JeriWho agreed and stated. That your limited understanding of Yoga. Practicing Yoga does not mean only these two. Now, I am not in a position to teach all that Yoga has to do. You can feel free to get this information from whichever resources you prefer which are Thousands in Number, NOT just one book. If you know what Yoga means, you will definitely understand and agree that he did Practice Yoga.
2. About Bible:
===> Bible is NOT the Christ Words. Real Christ words are the Sermon on the Mount. Bible can be words of his devotees who said what he told them. And, therefore, there are contradictions in them. Because, if only one perrson wrote this book, there can not be contradictions in that one book. Now, these contradictions are ONLY in words, and methods of paths. And, because NO single method in the material world will be same for two persons. One may drink water from a glass, anoher from a cup, and third one from the palms. All drink the water to satisfy the thirst and it is satisfied no matter. The contradictions disappear as one follows whatever and then reaches the Realization. So, clinging to just words and with their interpretations, does not make sense unless one actualy practices them and brings forth the realization in them.
3. Jesus Resurrection, coming in Flesh and ALL these:
===> This is NOT the first time in the history of mankind this has happened. There have been thousands before Christ who did this, and some of the lives have been much more profound and exhaulted than that of the Jesus Christ, in that respect. So, that part does not surprise me or impress me. For your knowledge, without being free to discuss, I can assure you that I have myself seen at least one life with my own eyes, which has been as exalted as that of Jesus Christ. So, I am not guessing. I feel fortunate to get that opportunity in my life. If you want to see my bio: see www.authenticyoga.org and click on Neel Kulkarni.
4. I think that this thread has done enough for me, because what limited I could participate is done. More will be friction, and I wish to love all of you.
Peace and Love
Neel Kulkarni
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| 1) Is that it? Is that all you've got? I'm disappointed. I thought that maybe you had a reasoned argument based on facts to back up your assertion. But I guess not.
2) Your words are pretty, but they have nothing to do with the question. You state that the bible is not Jesus' words, but then you say that _some_ of the words in the bible are Jesus' words. How is it that you are able to decide which are His words and which are not? What makes you the expert, and two thousand years of Xtns wrong about their religion? Since the Pope is dying, maybe you should apply for the position & straighten us out about that. In fact, maybe you should rewrite the bible so that it is more accurate. Then you could edit the Koran and maybe the Hindu texts as well.
Oh, and there are no contradictions in the bible. If you think that you have found one, let me know.
3) You have seen one life that has been as exalted as the life of Jesus. Wow! And this guy did better than being born of a virgin, founding a major religion, opening the way for man to approach God directly, atone for the sins of those who would believe, get crucified, stay dead for three days, be resurrected on the third day & appear to more than 500 of His followers in the next 40 days, walk thru walls, heal tens of thousands of sick people, raise the dead, walk on water, give sight to the blind, command the weather, and then ascend to the heavens to sit at the right hand of God the father almighty? Cool!!! What's he doing now?
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| So let me get this straight: we are wrong, and you know we are wrong, but you are not at liberty to explain why we are wrong or to show that we are wrong. We're just wrong.
4. I think that this thread has done enough for me, because what limited I could participate is done. More will be friction, and I wish to love all of you.
I hope for you to love me too, and I hope that love abounds across the earth. But I still insist that claims must be supported by either facts or text or sound reasoning.
In the end, what we can conclude is that yes, Christians who comply with Historic, Protestant Christianity can participate in yoga and retain their own strong, narrow minded, intolerant views that Christ and Christ alone is their salvation. We shall be doomed to narrowmindedness in our focus on Christ alone, but by thunder, we shall have stretched hamstrings!
And that's all I want from yoga!
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| Jerri Wrote:
In the end, what we can conclude is that yes, Christians who comply with Historic, Protestant Christianity can participate in yoga and retain their own strong, narrow minded, intolerant views that Christ and Christ alone is their salvation. We shall be doomed to narrowmindedness in our focus on Christ alone, but by thunder, we shall have stretched hamstrings!
And that's all I want from yoga!
===> This I agree with Jeri fully, 100 percent. And, for this I love Jeri, too.
As for Guest: What you mentioned Jesus Did you your above post, I know a number of examples. There is NO exception in Jesus's case out of these examples. Next, I may have had language problem in stating about Bible. What I am saying is : Bible contains writings of various persons who stated what jesus told, so there are contradictions/differences. I do not wish to re-wrrite Bible, because that will worsen the situation. Anyway, if you think I am running away, I happy that you feel so, because I do want to from this thread, as neither I have anything to contribute further, neither there is anything beneficial to me further from others. I love you, too.
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| This login thing is annoying. Apparently I have been posting as "Guest" tha last couple of days. Sorry.
Anyway, Neel, you say that the bible was written by many men, and so it contains differences or contrasictions. In fact, the entire bible was essentially dictated by one person, God. He spoke at different times through different persons, who, through a wonderful process, ended up writing down exactly what God wanted said. You are obviously not required to believe that, of course. It cannot be proven.
What _can_ be proven is if there are errors of fact or contradictions in the bible. You say that there are, and I called you on it. Now have the intellectual honesty to either produce your contradiction, or admit that you do not know of any, and are just repeating what you have heard.
I admit that I occasionally believe things that I have not proven for myself, especially if they are said by someone that I like or trust. But if I am to truely seek the Truth, then I must be willing to discard ideas that do not prove true. I am sure that you agree. |
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| kulkarnn - 2005-04-02 11:45 PM
Bible contains writings of various persons who stated what jesus told, so there are contradictions/differences. I do not wish to re-wrrite Bible, because that will worsen the situation. Anyway, if you think I am running away, I happy that you feel so, because I do want to from this thread, as neither I have anything to contribute further, neither there is anything beneficial to me further from others.
You say the Bible is full of errors (but fail to produce any), but then how can you say the Hindu writings are error-free? I have shown that there is a unity in the Bible about the mission of Christ to come to the nation of Israel as her Messiah, fuflfill the Law perfectly and prove His annointing as the Messiah, be rejected by the nation, be made an offering for the sins of the world, and rise again to be our victory over death, sin, and judgement. I have shown from this unity that leaving Israel to venture to any Gentile country would have been completely out of the question for any prophet of Israel, especially Christ. All the prophecies of Him show that He would be sent to Israel as her prophet, priest, and king, and He also made these claims about Himself, and the witnesses agree about this matter.
You still have no answer, no proof to the contrary, only an insistence that the Bible is wrong and you are right. But if you dismiss the Bible because it's ancient and had many pens put to it, how much more could we conclude that the Vedas are filled with error? And how much more is it plain that you are full of error when you make pronouncments about a religion you don't understand and refuse to research?
If mere men are certainly flawed, then your conclusions are as fallacious as anything with which you charge us, because your conclusions are built on the speculations and reasonings of men who contributed to a theology of Hinduism.
You're weighing with two separate measures. You let yourself off on the very charges you lay at the feet of those who revere the Bible as an authoritative text.
You lack intellectual honesty, and you are even intolerant, as you are actually insisting that you have received a light that others have not received, and your way is infallible while others are flawed.
It isn't lack of love to tell you that you are incorrect if you really are incorrect, sir. And you are. You can probably frame a more convincing argument, but you have not done so. Making more and more unproved and sweeping assertions to favor your own side just digs the hole deeper.
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Dear me....we cannot possibly arrive at any resolution of the question of
whether particular scriptures have got divine origins (e.g., god working
through men). You either believe it or you don't. Any, on the question of
contradictions in scripture, it's a topic that scholars, proponents, and opponents
of particular beliefs have debated endlessly. I don't suppose that we
can do much more than annoy each other with that set of issues.
I'd suggest keeping an open mind for all points of view. To me, this means
allowing for the possibility that additional discussion and information may
change your religious views, while at the same time trusting that if your views
are sound nothing will undo them.
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| Well said, BG.
To quote a very famous person, "Can't we all just get along"
Jeri, your deep faith is commendable. Your path in yoga would be called "Bhakti Yoga" where your devotion (or bhakti in sanskrit) and faith are unshakeable. That's probably why you seem to enjoy yoga without being disturbed by its spiritial and philosophical underpinnings unike some other devout "Christians".
In another thread you have said that you also believe in the benefits of traditional chinese medicine and acupuncture. Acupuncture serves to unblock Qi energy (prana in yoga) and in so doing boosts the immune system which aids in self-healing. Just curious if you believe in Qi (or prana) and if not how you reconcile your interest in TCM with your self confessed "exclutionary" religious outlook.
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| Bay Guy - 2005-04-04 12:09 PM
I'd suggest keeping an open mind for all points of view. To me, this means
allowing for the possibility that additional discussion and information may
change your religious views, while at the same time trusting that if your views
are sound nothing will undo them.
I agree with that assessment. It's misinformation and sweeping assertions that raise my objections. If somebody says "I don't believe the Bible," well, that's fine by me. I cannot create faith in the person. But if somebody says "I put this measuring stick to the Bible and found it invalid," yet that person fails to measure his or her own Scriptures by that measuring stick, then we've lost an honest discussion. Tolerance is a wonderful thing, but glib statatements, misquotes, and generalizations are not the same thing as toleration and respect.
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| HotYogi - 2005-04-04 12:33 PM
To quote a very famous person, "Can't we all just get along"
Actually, we are getting along, but we are disagreeing on points of comparison. It surely cannot be a tenet of any major religion that disagreement and pointing out fallacies in thought processes must be avoided at all costs. That's not Christianity, and I bet it's not Hinduism either.
Jeri, your deep faith is commendable. Your path in yoga would be called "Bhakti Yoga" where your devotion (or bhakti in sanskrit) and faith are unshakeable.
Thank you. I thoguht it was "Hatha" yoga, but then, I know nothing of sanskrit!
In another thread you have said that you also believe in the benefits of traditional chinese medicine and acupuncture. Acupuncture serves to unblock Qi energy (prana in yoga) and in so doing boosts the immune system which aids in self-healing. Just curious if you believe in Qi (or prana) and if not how you reconcile your interest in TCM with your self confessed "exclutionary" religious outlook.
Well, when I tried to pin down a yoga teacher about qi in yoga, she kept telling me that there was no exact counterpart in yoga, so I didn't think there was. But as for qi: yes I believe that an energy field is carried on the blood just like it's carried on a charged copper wire. But I don't view that as a religious belief. It's mere physiology.
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According to your last statement about Chi....Chi or Qi is not carried by blood in the body. Prana and Qi are carried through the meridian channel and is not a blood vessel. If it were, I would be black and blue and very week from lack of blood from all the Acupuncture that I do. BTW, the meridian channel is NOT recognized in Western Medicine, nor is it understood. Qi and Prana are the same, but in TCM and Ayurvedic medicine there are some differences in how it relates to the human body. However, we know it is an unseen channel and there are many points to reference for each meridian. You can buy the charts in relation to the human body system from a TCM point of view, I've never seen the Ayurvedic one if there is such a thing. |
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| Dear Jeri and ALL inerested:
It seems that you are still open, which I thought you were not. I request all of you to re-read my all previous posts statement by statement, and word by word. Now, then do another pass, again read my statements, and then read that of Jeri and any other objectioner. And, then we shall go through statement by statement to crack down what I wrote.
For example: Show me where I wrote Bible is false or wrong. Show me where I talked about Hinduism. And, then show me where I said Hinduism is correct compared to Bible, etc. I think we talking apples and oranges. My points were a) There is NO question that Jesus did Yoga, considering what Yoga really means, not what Jeri does. b) For any spiritual practice, it is Impossible to avoid Yoga Practice. c) and, there is NO question that a Christian can practice Yoga in all aspects of Yoga.
If any one has objection to a), b), and c), I am ready.
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| Man, you keep leaving this thread and then coming back to it. Are you going, or are you staying? And while I have better things to do with my time than re-read your posts three times, I can simplify the controversy to a few major points:
Christ never went to India to learn anything from anybody. His sermons and His point of view were based on extensive knowledge of the Law and the Prophets of Israel. His religon, which He kept flawlessly, shunned the ways of the Gentiles and enjoined its followers to remain in the Promised Land, among the race of God's Chosen People, faithfully maintaining stewardship over the land that God had given them. To be acceptable to His own people as a prophet, Christ remained within the borders of the historic nation of Israel. He clearly stated that He had been sent to minister to Israel during His earthly life. He lived as a perfect citizen of Israel, keeping the Law.
Christ never practiced the physical postures of yoga. If we want to talk about His physical exercise, it was walking and carpentry. But He was not remarkable at all for His physical form, not an outstanding speciman of health and vitality. The Bible clearly states that Christ was not a man whose physical bearing made anybody think He was the Son of God.
The word "yoga" does not appear in the Bible.
The death and resurrection of Christ were not enacted to teach us to be good people but rather to conquer sin and death in His people. While Christ did lay out a Biblical morality, founded on the Law (or Old Testament) that corrected the legalism of the Pharisees, the purpose of His sacrifice is Redemption. He has labored on behalf of His people; He has purchased them with His Blood; He has bestowed His righteousness standing with God upon them. Now, you don't have to agree with that belief, but the substitutionary death of Christ is taught from John 1:12 through Revelation, and it is also predicted by the prophets, especially Isaiah. Non-Christians don't believe that because they don't believe the Bible. But anybody who has read the Bible through, believing it or not, comprehends the substitutionary death of Christ taught in its pages. What Christ proclaimed goes way beyond morality, though it encompasses morality.
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | Jeri,
You are wrong about Jesus Christ - he did go to India and Tibet! This is where your bible study mislead you. This is the reason I never liked to read the bible when I was in school (private christian school), because it was simply not correct and too many things are left out. I can read my Swami's Yoga Guide and get more than I did from the bible. Anyway, I'm not going to argue and try to prove some silly facts to you. But in India and Tibet, everyone knows what happened with Jesus Christ (which was really no big deal to them at that time because Jesus was not the ONLY enlightened being on the earth) and just because they didn't document it, does not mean it didn't happen. The reason it is so dramatic to the westerners and why they hold on really tight to the drama and events surrounding Jesus, because it was so new to them and they were in such a supressed and depressed state in their society at that time. This man was a godsend to them. Then they wanted the whole entire world to recognize this man and back then...that was a big mistake with the Romans. Because of the nature of things back then and karmic reasons, Jesus Christ's teachings were never completed, that is why there is so much of a conflict and why it doesn't work in today's society - IT IS NOT COMPLETE. If we are not careful, Yoga will end up being the same way if the improper persons get a hold of it, because they will use it to control.
Anyway, Yoga is not just about doing Asana's. It is a combination of doing everything Neelbhai mentioned previously. I think you should educate yourself before you start posting about Jesus Christ and Yoga on the same page. Instead of seperating Jesus and Yoga, try to merge them together and see what happens... then while your doing your yoga, do the same thing, it's quite an awesome experience to be ONE with God - whatever level you are on This experience does not belong to the church or anyone, or Jesus for that matter...it only belongs to you and that is the true beauty of it all. However, just because it belongs to you, doesn't mean you own it or that you should be attached and cling to it either. We measure our own success and failures, pick up the pieces and start over again every day, and then we Let it Go again, and again. We let go of the past, the future and we live in the present moment. We even let go of Jesus Christ and what happened to him because that is over, we work on ourselves so that we can leave a brighter future for our children and continue our journey on towards a Godward mind to enlightenment and for an enlightened society. We become responsible humans, meaning we are responsible for our actions, we recognize karma through cause and effect and live from that place. We KNOW what is right and what is wrong, because all those answers are hidden deep inside of us. Our Yoga practice develops this for us in a natural way that is almost supernatural. So, yes Christians can practice Yoga...but, it is necessary to open your mind to the teachings as well for a COMPLETE YOGA experience. |
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Of course you're not, because there are no facts to support your assertion. Not having read the text of the Bible, you are free to make sweeping assertions, but anybody who has read the Bible knows the witnesses of the life of Christ regarded Him as a Prophet of Israel, and His teachings and sermons opened up the Law.
You slander facts as "silly" because you don't respect factual information. And that's not open minded; that's actually narrow minded.
And certainly, you can cling to a pipe dream of Jesus the world traveler (though He is never acknowledged as such by any witness to His ministry, ever). And you can dismiss facts as trivial. But in the end, we have a presentation of facts, and we also have your view.
Every question has thousands of possible answers, until you find the facts. And then all the other possible answers are excluded.
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| Dear Jeri:
Since you have NO time to re-read my previous posts in the light of your careless statements, but you have lot of time to make more careless statements, it will be wasting time to discuss with you. You commented on my Intelligence and I have no problems, because I wish to improve it. However, you have blinded yourself while trying to give light to others.
Your last posting said Jesus got his knowledge from xxxxxx (see your statements). The one who gets his knowledge from anywhere else can not be GOD, but has to be a Student. Now, student for what, to get that knowledge. The one who tries for knowledge is called Yogi in Yoga. And, when the knowledge is gotten it is called Yoga-siddha, and then he gives that knowledge to others. Now, others call him Yogi, Prophet, God, Son of God, Paramhansa, etc. For examples, Bhagavan Rajaneesh (Osho), Ramana Marshi, Maharshi Mahesha Yogi, Paramahansa Yogananda, Ramakrishna Paramhansa.
Now, I can give you thousands of names long before Christ was born, which come in the category of his, or even much higher than that of his, using your logic of Sin-Absorption, Born-For_others, etc.
I am NOT objecting to what he was about in that respect. Objection is for what he was NOT as wrongly understood by You and Fanatics.
Now, let me give you one thing you or others probably (note this word 'probably') do not know. There is NO question that Spirituality existed in India thousands and thousands of years ago and it has seen thousands of exhaulted liberated souls such as Jesus. Therefore, it reached a conclusion that 'God is one paths are many. Truth is one, forms are many. ekam sat satvipra bahuda vadanti... upnishad'. And, therefore, it is nothing great for me that a great soul is born and will be born again. However, in the part where Jesus treaded, there did not exist such a soul, so they could not comprehend the existence of such exaulted spirit. And, they called him God. And, that is no problem. The problem was created because they went on removing all other GODs, which is IMPOSSIBLE. I AM NOT STATING THAT YOU ARE DOING THIS. I am just telling you this point.
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| Well, in retrospect to Jesus IMO, people didn't understand him then, even his closest friends. Today, we still dont (and IMO neither do any stories written about him, it is all just essence)
I do have one point to make though. Please, take this LIGHTLY not LITERALLY.
Jane hears about this thing called apple. She is interested in the apple and hears great stories about it. So, wanting to inform herself more, she goes to a book store and gets a book on apples. The book says apples are round, and they are red. In Janes head she sees a circle that is coloured red. Wow, this is magnificent. She goes to tell EVERYONE. Telling them about Apple, the red circle.
Janes friends have also learned about apple. They try to tell her that there is more to the apple. Jane thinking, really? I better go check the store again. She buys many more books, with different points of views.
Jane learns that apples can be green, that they grow on trees, that she can eat them, and so much more. Now Jane knows even more.
So, in a nutshell, for me, this is what I like to do. Read from all sides. Everyone has good points, and perhaps they are ALL true. All sides are important to see a thing from all angels. And let me tell you, it is beautiful to see.
Another point. In my art class in school (years agao) our teacher told us to sit around the room in a circle. She then placed a block in the middle. We all drew it. After, we all placed our pictures up, and looked at them, they were all different, but it was the same thing.
Thankyou everyone, for your insights. I have enjoyed reading it all. |
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Can Christians Practice Yoga?
