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| Most people might run for a sports drink or water after a Bikram class but have you ever tried coconut juice? Young Coconut water naturally contains 5 essential electrolytes, more potassium than a banana, low acidity, no fat, no sugar added, and no cholesterol, organic coconut water is the natural, refreshing way to hydrate and replenish. Of course straight from the coconut is best, but some other favorites are C20s & Zicos.
I just started drinking this after and its amazing. Anyone else drink coconut juice after class and if not, what do you think is the best?
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| LOL, Bruce. I saw a study that supports your choice in beverages--several men were told to run on treadmills to the point of exhaustion in heated rooms. They were given either water or beer to replenish. The ones who drank beer recovered more quickly! Go figure.
I take the controversial "regular water" stance. I drink filtered tap water from my blue metallic bottle in class, and then I drink about half of that, refilled from the sink after class. Yeah, baby. I roll in style. |
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| "several men were told to run on treadmills to the point of exhaustion in heated rooms. They were given either water or beer to replenish. The ones who drank beer recovered more quickly! Go figure."
The ones who drank beer replaced electrolytes and sugars. The ones who drank water further diluted electrolytes and added no necessary glucose to their blood.
It is important to replenish electrolytes (salts) and carbohydrates (sugars) after working out and sweating. It is also good to eat protein, as it is needed to rebuild muscle that was stressed in the exercise. And yes, you do need to also replenish the fluids lost through sweating.
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| this is passionate for me as I was in hosp due to low sodium!!!! you need to watch your levels people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Wow I had no idea about the magically effects of guinness! ha. I will definitely have to try that out!
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | I'm a watermelon juice fan myself. It works great for the kidney's and replenishing the adrenals...which pretty much get overworked during Bikram. Watermelon also cools the fire element of the Heart, which is also stimulated due to the heat and nature of most of the postures,  |
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| Drink Beer BEFORE Bikram Yoga!!!
Seriously, two days ago my friend and I were on schedule to hit our 4:30 class as usual when we got called to the bar for a farewell drink for one of our co-workers. At that moment we made up our minds for the experiment, "Beers with Bikram"
Exactly 2 hours before class we began drinking and each put down two pints of beer and I added a shot of patron for myself. We entered the room with an excellent buzz ready to kill ourselves for 90 mins. To my amazement I ended up having probably the best class in my one year of practice. It was literally one of my most fluid classes and we both completed every single posture. Class seemed to go by faster and I felt an incredible calm all throughout my body. It seemed as though the alcohol gave me tons of energy and obliterated any thoughts that would normally be running through my mind distracting my concentration.
Normally I eat nothing and drink tons of water 3-4 hours before class. Maybe It was the mental determination or just a lot of extra energy from the beer, who knows. All I can say is that I highly recommend trying it out, but do it with a friend. You'll be surprised at how awesome it is. We're soon gonna step it up and see how far we can push the envelope.
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| Another benefit to beer .... it's is made from hops, which are used in extract form to treat delayed onset muscle soreness! |
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| was it alcohol free guinness?
only then it would make any sense... as alcohol dehydrates, makes one drowsy, dizzy..
and is in general rathe counter productive.. ah' well, just a thought, I am not a purist though! |
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| I noticed a real difference in my energy level after drinking coconut water before class (I had been drinking only after class). I wonder, tho, is it possible to overdose on electrolytes or potassium? |
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| ayavihsmona - this is a long running "inside" joke on these forums. Our moderator Bruce is a great proponent of Guinness for all and sundry purposes.
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Location: Oregon | I don't like energy drinks. Just water. If I'm feeling like I need something, a burger and fries at my favorite tavern covers me for protein and salt. Mmmm, yeah. |
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| Just to warn you Bruce- Guiness is not vegeterian and contains fish. Andre-Burger and chips are generally not veggie either unless its a veggie burger. Why on earth do these manufacturers kill and put animals in drinks and food in this day and age is riddiculous. |
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| Fish in Guinness-nay I say...only unstated ingredient in Guinness is goodness. |
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| Cool. Just wanted to make sure you know. Usually people tend to avoid fish as part of their yoga. I'm surprised really. Nut enjoy yourself!!! |
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Location: Oregon | Vibes, I've never made any claim to being vegetarian. I'm totally fine eating meat. Not sure where you get the "Usually people tend to avoid fish as part of their yoga." |
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| Hi Andre- The main part of yoga is non violence (ahimsa in sanskrit), to yourself, others,animals and plants.Being vegeterian is essential for this, unless you eat an animal after it has died of natural causes. |
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| Aren't you being violent to a plant by eating it alive?
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| lol, so much more plants are actually consumed to support the meat industry.Arent you a veggie Jimg? |
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | Andre - 2010-10-13 1:57 PM
Vibes, I've never made any claim to being vegetarian. I'm totally fine eating meat. Not sure where you get the "Usually people tend to avoid fish as part of their yoga."
Me either. I once went to a yoga retreat and he told everyone if they couldn't be a vegetarian to try and eat only fish. Oh well....
For the record, I do eat meat. I do have fasting days and I do have vegetarian days as well. Lately, because of the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, I decided NO MORE FISH, only because I am feeling really bad about what is happening to our oceans and I want to give the fish a break. However, that is my personal choice and I'm not judging others....just saying..
Have ya'll heard about the recent FrankenFish deal with GE Salmon???
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Location: Oregon | Vibes, I disagree with your interpretation/translation of ahimsa. Sanskrit definitions have many, many meanings. Ahimsa is also translated as do no harm. Frankly, I think we do more harm by not recognizing our roll in the life cycle. We are set squarely atop the food chain. And yet we have this other sense of ourselves and how we fit in our environment that we call intellect.
Because of this dual role, I believe it is our duty not to exploit the world we live in, but also not think we are above our rolls either. While no fan of “factory farming” (for animal or plants), I think it’s pure ego to suggest that we not fully participate in the food chain. |
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| The correct translation for ahimsa is non violence as I know a few sanskrit scholars/teachers in India and Europe and have discussed ahimsa several times as its one of my favourite topics. Even if it was do no harm that echoes my above post.
Cindi- A yoga teacher telling you you can only do this or that does not sound like a very good yoga teacher. Freedom is important in Yoga. The fact he is asking of you to eat only fish goes against ahimsa anyway. Sounds like a joker to me. It is everyones freedom to eat as they please. But if one is in a Yoga practice and are serious about it it is good to follow what is at the heart of yoga -ahimsa. |
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | vibes - 2010-10-15 8:13 AM
Cindi- A yoga teacher telling you you can only do this or that does not sound like a very good yoga teacher. Freedom is important in Yoga. The fact he is asking of you to eat only fish goes against ahimsa anyway. Sounds like a joker to me. It is everyones freedom to eat as they please. But if one is in a Yoga practice and are serious about it it is good to follow what is at the heart of yoga -ahimsa.
No Joke and he is a highly respected Yoga MASTER. When you are under the guidance of a guru, they can say whatever the hell they want to. I don't take offense to that, I trust that they know what they're talking about because I don't usually sit for a week with a Yoga Master if I don't have some kind of interest in his background and principals. Now, on the other hand, it is up to me to take that advise or not - it's my choice, and always has been.
Vibes, you read too much into what people say around here. Not to mention you attack words and people when you don't even know them. This particular Yoga Master was of the vegetarian nature and understood completely the Western people's need for meat. My guru was a total meat eater and told me I ate grass and rabbit food - jokingly and lovingly. I made my own choices about what to eat in the long run.
About Ahimsa....Some of the most violent people I've ever met were vegetarians. If you look around at how meat and produce is farmed, with all the GMO's and GE food, that is extremely violent on every level...even what they do to plants is violent which in turn eventually kills the honey bees. We all know that when the honey bee has left the planet, humans will have maybe 4 years to survive on whatever food they have left.
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| There are sure a lot of people who are awfully pious and holier than the next guy about what they eat, what they drink, what type of exercise they do and even what model car they drive.
Wouldn't we all be a lot better off if we did what worked best for oueselves at this point in our lives and were just loving and accepting of others, instead of trying so hard to be morally? superior to our fellow humans?
Adolf Hitler didn't drink or smoke and was a vegetarian. Your personal habits do not make you morally superior to anyone.
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| And concentration camp, (my grandfather told me who survived it) is comparable to the modern meat industry. Freedom is important but it is important to support the freedom of others whether human or animal. We all are one. |
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Location: Oregon | I just got back from my weekend intensive of The Yoga Sutras, Chapter III. I study with Chase Bossart of the Healing Yoga Foundation. Chase is one of the last private students of TKV Desikachar; I can’t recommend him enough for Sutra/Sanskrit study.
Anyway, Chase related a story that one of the Desikachars tell about going out to dinner with a group of Yoga students after one of their sessions. 3-4 students start to take one to task who chooses to eat meat. In their certainty of what it means to be a Yogi and the “correct” practice of Yoga, they start ridiculing that student. The Desikachar in attendance calls them out on it saying something like, “examine your language and tell me who is not practicing ahimsa.”
Incidentally, the last verse of Chapter III defines “freedom” as the ultimate state of Yoga. Not non-violence. That’s not to say freedom to do whatever we please, rather… freedom from so many afflictions that the ego and misperception wrought upon the mind. |
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| This thread is now getting more interesting although diverted from the original comments. Thanks Andre for your input. Id like to add, Manu the sage mentions "There is no greater sinner than one who seeks to increase the bulk of his own flesh by the flesh of other beings".B K S Iyengar writes being vegetarian is a neccessity for yoga practice.Not to mention the severe karmic consenquences. However on the other side some yogis feel flesh is essential and totally disregard karma. Onwards forwards with freedom! |
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"It is the nature of women to seduce men in this (world); for that reason the wise are never unguarded in (the company of) females."
"On the even nights sons are conceived and daughters on the uneven ones; hence a man who desires to have sons should approach his wife on the even (nights)."
"Let him void faeces and urine, in the daytime turning to the north, at night turning towards the south, during the two twilights in the same (position) as by day."
"Let him not dance, nor sing, nor play musical instruments."
"Let him, when angry, not raise a stick against another man, nor strike (anybody) except a son or a pupil; those two he may beat in order to correct them."
"Let him never eat that which has been touched by a menstruating woman, nor the food (given) by a musician, a carpenter, a hermaphrodite, an unchaste woman, or a hypocrite, nor (the food given) by a physician, a hunter, a cruel man, nor that prepared for a woman in childbed, nor that (given at a dinner) where (a guest rises) prematurely (and) sips water, nor that (given by a woman) whose ten days of impurity have not elapsed, nor (that given) by a female who has no male (relatives), nor food (given) by an actor, a tailor, or an ungrateful (man), a blacksmith, a stage-player, a goldsmith, a basket maker, by trainers of hunting dogs, publicans, a washerman, a dyer, etc etc etc"
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| Thanks Jimg, Manu waas a bit odd for my liking-Here are some more interesting things said by more down to earth folk and elsewhere -
In more recent times (not that long ago) Albert Einstein said "Nothing will benefit health or increase chances of survival of life on Earth as the evolution to a vegetarian diet".
Dr Walden Bello (executive director of Food first, Institute for food and development Policy) said " The fact that there is enough food in the world for everyone.But tragically, much of the world's food and land resources are tied in producing beef and other livestock-food for the well-off, while millions of children and adults suffer from malnutrition and starvations".
Peter Singer (Australian philosopher) said "All the arguments to prove human superiority cannot shatter this hard fact: in suffering, the animals are our equals".
Buddha said "To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the disciple refrain from eating meat".
Alice Walkrer (African-American writer) said " The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for whites or women for men".
Mahabarata, the great epic of wisdom "One should never, in even one's heart, do an injury to cows. One should, indeed, always confer happiness on them"
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| i always void my feces towards the north during the day.
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| The voiding towards the north during the day and the south at night are no-brainers (in the northern hemisphere), but I am a bit confused about the twilight rules.
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| jimg - 2010-10-18 1:25 PM
"Let him never eat that which has been touched by a menstruating woman, nor the food (given) by a musician, a carpenter, a hermaphrodite, an unchaste woman, or a hypocrite, nor (the food given) by a physician, a hunter, a cruel man, nor that prepared for a woman in childbed, nor that (given at a dinner) where (a guest rises) prematurely (and) sips water, nor that (given by a woman) whose ten days of impurity have not elapsed, nor (that given) by a female who has no male (relatives), nor food (given) by an actor, a tailor, or an ungrateful (man), a blacksmith, a stage-player, a goldsmith, a basket maker, by trainers of hunting dogs, publicans, a washerman, a dyer, etc etc etc"
These rules make eating in a restaurant kind of a problem. I'm not sure whether you could ask your waiter or waitress all these questions and get honest answers. Since 91.2% of waiters are actors and they are professional liars by trade, how can you trust their answers? How many waitresses are actually chaste these days? Isn't there also about a 16.67% chance that your waitress is menstruating?
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | Did you guys ever see the movie "Return to Me"??? Minnie Driver played in it with David Dachovny...anyway, they were at this restaurant with this annoying person wanting ONLY bottled water and how she got sick on tap water etc. Minnie Driver was the waitress and was filling the order. David walked past to see her filling up the water bottle with tap water, it was hilarious because he didn't say a thing and just smiled...great movie!! |
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| The best rule is not to have any rules then you are free. Havent seen that film. Hear are some more great quotes. As yoga teachers we may et asked about diet. People should eat what they find is best for them. However these quotes by famous vegetarians are often good to remember as a veggie diet is suited to a healthier person and planet and will help improve ones yoga-
"he who does not value life does not deserve it" Leonardo Da Vinci (who considered the bodies of meat eaters to be burial places for the animals they eat)
"unprovoked murder" Benjamin Franklin
"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages". Thomas Edison
"Let the advocate of animal food force himself to a decisive experiment on it's fitness, and as Plutarch recommends, tear a living lamb with his teeth and, plunging his head into its vitals, slake his thirst with the streaming blood.....then,and then only, would he be consistent". Shelly
"By killing animals, man suppresses in himself,unnecessarily, the highest spiritual capacity-that of sympathy and pity towards living creatures like himself-and by violating his own feelings becomes cruel"
"A human can be healthy without killing animals for food. Therefore, if he eats meat he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite" Tolstoy
"Animals are my friends...and I dont eat my friends" George Bernard Shaw
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You are obviously violently opposed to violence.
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| You can't put out fire with fire jimg. Come on peeps- see what vegetarian quotes you can dig up from famous or non famous people. Will be good to spread a positive message of love and compassion! |
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| vibes - 2010-10-19 1:59 PM
You can't put out fire with fire
Yeah, you can, actually. And Hitler was a vegetarian, I believe. Nevertheless, a nice idea to start the quote thread, as there is certainly nothing wrong with being a vegetarian. |
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| How do you put out fire with fire? So what if hitler was veggie? That was his business. It's your freedom to do what you want and eat what you want. But it's good to promote love,unity and compassion to all animals and promote cleanliness. Come on peeps!!! |
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| Firefighters purposely set fires that burn back toward an existing fire, or use explosives to put out fires.
Using the logic of "so what if Hitler was a veggie?" then so what if any of the people listed is/was vegetarian? The fact that any famous person or even a spiritual teacher with millions of followers was vegetarian makes interesting conversation, not proof that vegetarianism is best.
The Dalai Lama wears orange robes, but that fact alone will not convince me that it is something I must do, though possibly his teachings (if his teachings included the idea that wearing orange robes was something I should strive for) and example of his virtuous life might persuade me to try it.
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| Interesting.I put out a candle with a gentle exhalation yesterday which seemed simples than blowing the candle up or burning the other end. Although the above mentioned options sound more fun.
Isnt being a vegetarian better for an animal? Clever people like Leonardo, Albert Einstein or celebreties can appeal to people. Ask any environmentalist and they will agree that the meat industry is extremely damaging to mother earth. Even Pamela Anderson has spent much time campaigning for people to take on a vegarian diet as it is extremely cruel. Just look up Peta videos or cruel meat industry videos on Youtube, then come back to this forum with your input.
I spent much time in India with an enviromental campaigning poet who showed me not only how cruel the meat industry is but how destructive it is to our planet regardless of meat being less digestive than vegtables and beans and rice.It is certainly not peaceful to support the meat industry even the organic met industry.
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Whatever dietary choices you make, you are killing another life form. Yes, you can say that only life forms with nervous systems count, but isn't that awfully chauvinistic to say that only things that are similar to yourself matter?
Do fish, for example, feel pain? They may react to pain, but do they have the necessary brain parts to actually feel it? If they do, do they have the consciousness to be aware of that feeling? Plants also physically react to trauma or injury. Does that mean that they feel pain too?
The anthropomorphism of animals is not an advantage for either spieces.
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| More plants get consumed for the meat industry than to feed humans. Its cruel on so many levels. |
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| vibes - I am not refuting any of your logical and sound arguments. I am not saying being an omnivore is better or good or right. Just that the fact that any individual is a vegetarian is not a useful, logical or valid reason for anyone else to become a vegetarian. Pamela Anderson, apparently a kind person and incidentally born very close to my home town, does and has done many, MANY things that I would not consider worthy of emulation, though she was pretty decent as a ballroom dancer. |
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| Everyone has done things not worthy of emulation. But it's worth emulating promoting harmony with fellow inhabitants on earth, Peace and love. |
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| I like to choose role models that have no positive traits whatsoever. That makes it really easy for me to exceed the goodness of my role model and feel superior.
Why would you want to choose a role model that makes you feel inferior, unless picking that particular role model makes you superior to those who choose lesser role models?
When did comparing yourself to a fictional person (someone that you have no two way personal relationship with and therefore a self generated idea and not an actual person) ever make anyone a better person?
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| oh - and that this discussion has little to do with bikram yoga.
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| This has much to do with the thread- 'Best after bikram' As mentioned above 'one thing we can all agree on - plants are more nutritious than animals'. Thats just it. It is good to support your bikram practice with more nutrition so you can move forwards. It is best for the planet and it's survival for us all to adopt a gentle vegetarian diet. Than mankind will survive longer through not destructive eating habits. Then mankind can do bikram in more years to come.
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| vibes - 2010-10-25 6:36 AM
'one thing we can all agree on - plants are more nutritious than animals'. Thats just it.
One thing that people do not at all agree on is which foods to eat, which not to eat and why. Everyone has a study or an expert (or even a sacred book or cultural taboo) to prove their personal choice is best and everyone else's choices are either misinformed, stupid, proof of their genetic or cultural inferiority, going to destroy the planet or downright immoral. There is little or no scientific consensus about diet and there is certainly no cultural consensus.
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| Jimg-Are you joking??? Just incase you are not, much scientific research has gone into diet. Just for the record-
Number of US medical schools: 125.
-Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30.
-Most common cause of death in the US: heart attack.
-Average US mans risk of death from heart attack: 50%.
-Risk of average US man who eats no meat: 15%
-Risk of average US man who eats no meat,dairy or eggs: 4%.
-Number of people who die as a result of malnutrition this year -20 million (shocking I know).
-Number of people whop could be adequately fed using land freed if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10%: 100 million.
-Percentage of corn grown in the US eaten by people 20.
-Percentage of corn grown in US eaten by livestock 80%.
Percentage of oats grown in US eaten by livestock 95.
-Percentage of protein wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 90.
-Pounds of potatoe that can be grown on an acre 40,000.
-Pounds of beef produced on an acre 250.
-Percentage of US farmalnd devoted to beef production: 56.
-Pounds of Grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of edible flesh from feedlot beef: 16.
-3 times more fossil fuels are needed to produce a meat centred diet than a veggie diet.
-Percentage of US topsoil lost to date: 75.
-Percentage of US topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85.
-Numbers of acres of US forest cleared for cropland to produce meat: 260 million (very shocking!!).
-Amount of meat imported to US annualy from central and south AMerica: 300,000,000 pounds.
-Percentage of central American children under 5 years of age who are undernourished: 75.
-Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every quarter-pound of rainforest beef: 55 square feet.
-Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1,000 per year (meat production is one of the main reasons for rainforest destruction).
-Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat daily compared to less than once a week: 3.8 times.
-Increased risk of fatal prostrate cancer for men who consume meat,cheese,eggs and dairy daily vs sparingly: 3.6 times.
-Of course there are many other causes of cancer too!
-User of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the US: Livestock production.
-Amount of water used in production of the average cow: Sufficent to float a ddestroyer.
-Gallons of water needed to produce a pound of wheat: 25.
-Gallons of water need to produce a pound of California beef: 5,000.
-Years the worlds known oil reserves would last if every human ate meat diet: 13.
-Years they would last if humans no longer ate meat: 260.
-Calories of fossil fuel expended to get 1 calorie of protein from beef: 78.
-To get 1 calorie of protein from soybeans: 2.
-Percentage of all raw materials consumed by US that is devoted to livestock: 33.
-Percentge of raw materials consumed by the US needed to produce a vegetarian diet: 2.
-Percentage of US antibiotics fed to livestock: 70.
-Response of European Economic Community to routine of feeding antibiotics to livestock: ban.
-Response of US meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support.
-Groups like the American Medical Association, the Union of Concerned Scientists have condemed the use of antibiotics in animals.
-Scientists by the score argue that antibiotic use in livestock is a real danger. Dr Thomas R. Frieden (director of the Centeres for disease Control and prevention) has found compelling evidence of a clear link between antibiotic use in animals and antibiotic resistance in humans.
-Common belief: US dept of Agriculture protects our health through meat inspection.
-Reality: fewer than 1 out of every 250,000 slaughtered animals is tested for toxic chemical residues.
-Percentage of US mothers milk containing significant levls of DDT: 99.
-Percentage of US vegetarian mothers milk containing significant levels of DDT: 8.
-Contamination of breast milk due to chlorinated hydrocarbon pesticides in animal products, found in meat-eating mothers as compared to vegetarian mothers: 35 times higher.
-Number of animals killed for meat per hour in the US: 660,000.
-Check out these Jimg and anyone else who likes meat-
http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/chickens.aspx
http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/egg-industry.aspx
http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/beef-industry.aspx
http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/dairy-industry.aspx
http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/pigs.aspx
http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/turkeys.aspx
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| "Number of people who die as a result of malnutrition this year -20 million (shocking I know)."
I hope that you are aware that there is an excess of food in the world. People die of malnutrition because of an unfair and/or malfunctioning distribution system, not an overall lack of food. Much of what you said is very valid, some is quoting things out of context, but no matter what, there is still no consensus that these "facts" prove the validity of a particular diet as opposed to another. If the industrial manner of raising beef, for example, is very wasteful (and I agree that it is), so is also the manner in which corn, potatoes and apples are grown. Grass fed animals, for example, are not fed corn in feed lots and the resulting problems therefore do not exist. There are many problems in the global food production and distribution system and I think that it is important for the future of mankind to sort these problems out. All that being said, there is still no dietary consensus among people in general or among scientists. Most people make emotional decisions regarding diet and it sure appears that your vegetarianism is an emotional decision as you write about it in a very emotionally charged manner.
If "Average US mans risk of death from heart attack: 50%.
-Risk of average US man who eats no meat: 15%
-Risk of average US man who eats no meat,dairy or eggs: 4%" was plausible, then why do people in countries where little or no meat is eaten have much lower life expectancies and people who eat a Mediterranean diet which includes a lot of fish and some meat, for example, have the highest life expectancies? Also, if it were true, then at least some life insurance companies would give lower rates to vegetarians like they do to non-smokers and people who exercise or keep their blood pressure down.
Please eat what you want, but get off your soap box. Everyone else in the world has reasons that they consider just as valid as your's for their dietary decisions. If you want to convert others, set a good example and others may follow. If people think that you are really together based on how you relate to them and to the world, there is a good chance that some of them will emulate your behaviors. Otherwise, no chance.
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| I dont want followers and i dont want to follow anyone else. I jus want people to be aware and have good health along with the planet supporting us in more harmony. Being vegetarian according to scientists from the University of East Anglia will certainly be of huge benefit to mankind. The report was commisioned by the Food Standards Agency.Here is an interesting clip to watch by the way-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMF5ZW2QvYg
Over fishing really hasnt been mentioned so check this out-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yov6aCqt8w
The distribution of food is a huge problem too as you say.
It is valuble for us to be aware and push gently for peace and harmony
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| Here is an interesting article with interesting comments by yogis underneath, which could help anyone who consumes meat (also Bruce will prob find the girl who wrote it cute)-
http://www.unitedyogis.com/profiles/blogs/2079184:BlogPost:2909
Also the following are worth reading-
http://www.yogamag.net/archives/1977/knov77/yogaveg.shtml
http://www.discover-yoga-online.com/vegetarian-diet.html
http://www.bhakti-yoga-meditation.com/become-vegetarian.html
http://www.sivananda.org/teachings/diet/diet.html
http://www.sivananda.eu/en/diet.html
http://www.healthandyoga.com/html/news/food/ydiet.aspx
http://www.yogajournal.com/wisdom/999
http://www.yoganowmalaysia.com/veg.html
http://www.americanyogaassociation.org/Yoga%20Veg%20Diet.html
http://www.thesecretsofyoga.com/yoga-articles/Benefits-of-a-Vegetarian
http://www.allspiritfitness.com/library/features/aa120400a.shtml
We are all free and freedom is important. We should all eat as we please. However we should be aware of treading softly on Earth and looking after our Earth and it's inhabitants. LOVE |
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| If you only read and/or look for a particular point of view, you become very narrow in your outlook and tend to lose touch with reality.
If you only do, study, read about etc Bikram yoga, or Iyengar yoga or Anusara or whatever style of yoga, you become narrow and often brittle. If you only know about yoga and not other forms of exercise or other philosophies, you also become narrow. It is the same with diet, politics, economics and every other subject. If you cannot see that the opposite of what you believe may also be true, you are cheating yourself and limiting your sight. You do not grow by becoming smaller.
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| At school I used to make myself small and sometimes almost invisible to avoid bullies. It worked a treat and I learnt from it and avoided much violence. Also you can lean from having the flexibility to be big or small. There you go- the opposite of what you believe can be true Jimg.
I studied 3 years at a specialist college about countryside conservation and worked on farms. Also part of my studies involved me going to different parts of the UK and India and discussed with people from both sides (official people, not hippyish environmental campaigners), including MPs. All agreed that the meat industry is a huge problem for the planet. Even the people whose lives depend on meat production agreed with the negativity of it, some of whom were vegetarian too. This was nearly 20 years ago. My old friends from college tell me now the problems are even worse.
Jimg- have you looked at all the above websites I posted? Look at them carefully, then respond again if you want. You are one of the few people I have met who are unaware of the horrors of the meat industry and over fishing. I can't expect everyone to know certain details, I understand you.
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| vibes - 2010-10-26 1:51 PM
Jimg- have you looked at all the above websites I posted? Look at them carefully, then respond again if you want. You are one of the few people I have met who are unaware of the horrors of the meat industry and over fishing. I can't expect everyone to know certain details, I understand you.
Peace and Love
vibes,
You don't even understand what I have written here, so how can you understand me? Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? If so, my apologies.
jimg
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| This is too funny. yep, I do understand what you wrote. As the famous vegetarian Albert Einstein said "A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be". |
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| vibes,
I get it! You can understand what other people write, you just don't want to. Do you find it more fun to reply to a single word or phrase that someone writes rather than reply to the entire idea that they are trying to communicate? It really makes any kind of communication difficult.
People in India eat almost NO beef and almost NO pork yet:
http://india.gov.in/citizen/health/heart_attack.php
Heart disease is the leading cause of death in India, a country with one of the highest vegetarian populations in the world. Obviously, the lack of beef and pork causes heart disease!
You see, you can support any point of view with links on the Internet!
I can provide numerous scientific reports which prove that any consumption of alcohol is terrible for your health. I can also provide numerous scientific reports which prove that alcohol in moderation is healthy.
My point, which you seem to want to ignore, is that there is very little consensus about diet and that if you are only looking at a single point of view on any topic (especially a view outside the mainstream), you are totally missing the big picture.
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| As Albert Einstein said "A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be" ha ha- just noticed its a quote you print. Also Albert Einstein said "Our task must be to free ourselves....by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and it's beauty" He also said "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution of a vegetarian diet"
Now you can't argue with that!
Also remember Yoga is a science not a magical mystery tour. BKS Iyengar said "being a vegetarian is a neccessity for yoga practice".
This one is especially for Jimg-
The Dalai Lama said "People think of animals as if they were vegetables, and that is not right. We have to change the way people think about animals. I encourage the Tibetan people and all people to move toward a vegetarian diet that doesnt cause suffering" He also said "Life is as dear to the mute creature as it is to man. Just as one wants happines and fears pain,just as one wants to live and not to die,so do other creatures".
Here is a nice ancient buddhist text by Surangama Sutra "If one is trying to practice meditation and is still eating meat, he would be like a man closing his ears and shouting loudly, and then asserting that he heard nothing".
Leo Tolstoy said "If he be really and seriously seeking to live a good life, the first thing from which he will abstain will always be the use of animal food, because...it's use is simply immoral, as it involves the performance of an act which is contrary to moral feeling-killing".
I already know all I need to know about alcohol. I dont promote it's use just as I don't promote the unnecessary killing of animals.
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| Forgot to add, that aside from ancient science, modern scientists have made lots of research into diet. Especially what it does to animals and the environment.If we care about the world and the health of our children, there is so much evidence to say we should reduce and prefarably stop eating meat. Peace |
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | I hate to break it to ya Vibes...But, most if not ALL Tibetans, are NOT vegetarians. My guru who was the equivalent of the HH Dalai Lama, he also had an HH title, ate lots of meat. The Rinpoche underneath him used to make fun of me and told me I ate grass because I liked to eat more vegetables than meat,
Tibetans have the mindset that to eat one large animal is only 1 life and feeds lots and lots of people...very similar to the Native American and Shaman cultures of South America. While the eating of chicken and fish and smaller animals is too many lives and doesn't feed very many.
Anyhow....I think everyone can see as it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the food industry is pretty &^%%$ up. So, what most of us do is we support Sustainable Agricultural practices and we do what we can to set examples. Go watch the movie FOOD, INC., it explains it all. KNOW your food sources and know your farmers...its very simple. You don't have to be a vegetarian to practice yoga. There are many many sects and forms of various types of yoga from Asia. If you feel you are not ready to give up meat..that is YOUR practice. If you feel you are ready, that is also YOUR practice. Just be damn sure that you know what the heck you are doing because there are many health aspects in today's world that you should consider as we live in a more aggressive society, and our world has changed drastically. Pantajali taught that we are suppose to go with these changes and what we are doing today is all about skillful means and survival. I can guarantee you that most people who are not used to a non-meat diet, will not last long because they will be lacking and not knowing how to take care of themselves, while others will do it naturally. You have to decide and really really be okay with it all. If not, this will become an obstacle for your practice rather than a benefit.
Just saying......
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | Hey Jim..
It is very interesting about the Indian culture and the Heart attack risk. They use soooo much oil in their food and the GMO's in that country is very disturbing...on all levels. Indian culture has taken on the Western mentality of food and its really really scary...NO thanks to Monsanto for screwing that one up. Amazing |
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| Cyndi,
The irony about food production in India is that the "Green Revolution" (using chemical fertilizers etc) has turned India from a country with frequent food shortages and famine to a country that exports food, while at the same time making their diet less healthy so that they can live long enough to die from heart disease instead. I think that there are many aspects of the "modernization" of food production that have been very good, as well as aspects that have been very bad. I think that we should not throw out the baby with the bath water, but instead, keep the advancements while finding solutions to the problems. There are simply too many people in the world to do otherwise. We cannot go back and it would be a bad idea to stay where we are, so the only real option is to move forward in a better direction for ourselves and our environment. Nobody is willing to watch their child or loved ones die of starvation just so food can be produced in a certain way, no matter what the long term consequences.
Your friend,
Jim
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| One of the best ways to go forwards for the future of the Earth as suggested by people more learned than ourselves (like Gandhi,Einstein, Vinoba Bhave, Food Standards agency officials and farmers) would be to become vegetarian. I personally know many Tibetans who eat meat. I also know some who are veggie. It is their freedom to do as they want. I want people to eat what they want no matter what impact it has on themselves, their karma or the world. Years ago I have worked on farms. You can eat what you want to practice yoga even chips, vodka, marijuana cookies, apples, bananas and coca cola - the list is endless. Many environmental problems would be solved with people moving towards a vegetarian diet. This is important for future generations- not to suffer from what we do now.
Jimg and especially Cyndi - Do you personally know the animals and the fish before they are killed and you eat them? Have you ever killed the animal yourself or been in a organically reared animal slaughter house to see where your animal has been taken away from it's children (if the children havent been taken away first and sold in a market like slaves used to be). to be killed, then drained of its blood (sometimes while still alive) then processed into meat? I dont expect you to. But would be interesting to know? I am lucky enough to be able to go to the farm where 60% of my food comes from, and my allotment and then buying the rest from a great organic based health store where you can get information about the growers. Not everyone is that lucky or feel that way inclined.I just like doing that on a personal level as I love food.
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| If you are what you eat, Id rather be fruit and nuts then meat any day! |
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| Heres some more good ones for you peeps-
Everyone is a pacifist between wars. its like being a vegetarian between meals.- Colman McCarthy
If slaughter houses had glass walls, everyone would be vegetarian - Paul McCatney
As custodians of the planet it is our responsibility to deal with all species with kindness, love and compassion. That these animals suffer through human cruelty is beyond understanding. - Richard Gere
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| Hi Jimg. It's worth you seeing the film 'planeat'. |
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| I'm not sure I could handle a beer after Bikram; might feel a bit little headed, as I'm a light weight to begin with. I usually go straight for fruit. The natural sugars help me replenish. |
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| it has a relatively high iron content as well as vitamin B and benefits of lowering a proclivity for blood clots
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