Divine knowledge for Atheists and scientists
dattaswami
Posted 2010-07-21 7:51 AM (#124211)
Subject: Divine knowledge for Atheists and scientists


The concept of unimaginable God is already mentioned in Vedas and Gita. It was not elaborated since there was no need in the earlier period, when science was not so much developed. The energetic form of God was thought to be the original God, since the energy can remain in the invisible region as well as the visible region by changing its frequency. The energetic form exists in the invisible region and thus, the energetic form of unimaginable God remained always invisible. By some severe penance, the invisible energetic form becomes visible by changing its frequency and devotees thought that the invisible God became visible to them for sometime. The people in the earlier period called this invisible form of the God as unimaginable. For them, the word unimaginable means the imaginable part that becomes visible by doing serious effort. Thus, the word unimaginable means relatively unimaginable but not absolutely unimaginable.

You are able to touch the upper rod of the door by small effort. The roof of the house is untouchable because it cannot be touched by normal effort. After long practice of high jump, somebody is able to touch the roof of the house. Here, the roof of the house is relatively untouchable. The absolutely untouchable is the sky. You should not say that you will touch the sky in future by practicing the high jump. The actual God is absolutely unimaginable. Such God may enter the energetic form called Narayana or He may enter the materialized human form called as Krishna. In the first case, energy is the medium and in the second case, matter is the medium. Both energy and matter are inter-convertible as per science. The same unimaginable God exists in Narayana and Krishna simultaneously due to His unimaginable power. Thus, on analysis, there is no trace of difference between Narayana and Krishna.

The people in the early period were not having this knowledge of inter-conversion of matter and energy. The invisible energy was thought special and hence, unimaginable. The concept of absolutely unimaginable God was also not elaborated to them. Since they were satisfied with the invisible energetic form as the absolute unimaginable, there was no need of elaboration of the actual absolutely unimaginable God. Moreover, the electrified wire can be treated as current for all practical purposes since it gives shock at any point.

Similarly, the energetic form charged by the unimaginable God can be treated as the absolutely unimaginable God for all practical purposes. They were fully satisfied by seeing Narayana and they were convinced that Narayana was the absolute unimaginable God. When the result was achieved, there is no need of elaborating the hidden absolute truth. But, latter on, science developed and the powerful analysis grew based on practical proof. When the existence of invisible energy is understood, people are not satisfied if you say that the invisible energy is absolutely unimaginable. The invisible energy is a part of creation only and can be seen through electronic instruments. Now there is a danger of entry of atheism because the so far treated unimaginable became imaginable. The very existence of unimaginable item is questioned leading to atheism.

For this purpose, there is a need of revealing the absolute truth that was already mentioned in the scriptures. The unimaginable absolute God is the generator of space and hence, is beyond space. The cause can be seen only when the effect is destroyed. The lump of mud is the cause and the pot is the effect. The lump of mud can be seen only when the pot disappears. Similarly, the unimaginable God can be seen only when the space disappears. Your intelligence is always limited to spatial dimensions and cannot imagine anything devoid of spatial dimensions. Therefore, the unimaginable God, being the cause of space has no spatial dimensions and therefore, remains always unimaginable. The knowledge of such unimaginable God and the knowledge of the matter and energy being equal, makes you understand that Narayana and Krishna are one and the same. Matter is the condensed form of energy and hence, the energy can be treated as Father and matter as son. The Father of heaven is the energetic form charged by the unimaginable God. Jesus is the materialized matter-form charged by the same unimaginable God. From the point of view of medium, He told that He is the son of God and that He and His Father are one and the same.

The human incarnation is a single phase of two components, which are God and soul. It is an alloy of Gold and copper. If a trace of Gold is mixed in copper, still it is alloy but it looks like copper only. Similarly, the human incarnation looks like an ordinary human being in which the invisible – unimaginable God is alloyed. This type of combination makes the medium always exhibited with its properties like birth, death, hunger etc. If the properties of the medium are suppressed and the properties of God are exhibited, people get excited and cannot clarify their doubts with the human incarnation. This is the merit of this concept but defect is that people generally neglect the human incarnation based on this very same point. But, the merit is more important because the primary purpose of human incarnation is to clarify the doubts of the devotees.

Arjuna questioned Krishna in several ways and got the points clarified freely because Krishna was in human form. If Krishna started explaining the Bhagavad Gita through energetic form (Vishwarupam), Arjuna could not have asked even one question due to extensive excitement. The God component in the human incarnation speaks that He is God. But, people see the human incarnation as human being only. Then there are two ways of the reaction of the human beings. Either they say that the human incarnation is only a human being and not God or they say that every human being is God. The first way is offensive and the second way is defensive. In the first way, people crucified Jesus. The offensive way is also mentioned in the Gita (Avajaananti maam…).

Mohammad refused this concept of human incarnation since the people were continuing in the offensive nature only. The defensive way was taken by Shankara. In His time, people were also atheists with ego and jealousy. He subsided their reaction by taking the defensive way. You can understand the human incarnation only by recognizing the two components. Whenever Jesus told that He is truth and light, it is the God component that spoke those words. Whenever Jesus told ‘Let Thy will be done.’, ‘Why did You leave Me?’ etc., it is the soul the component that spoke these words. The two components were clearly demonstrated by Krishna. Bhagavad Gita was told by God component. After the war, when Arjuna asked to repeat the same, the soul component spoke Anu Gita, which was only an exposition of a scholar. The Bhagavad Gita was told by God component and Anu Gita was told by soul component. Whenever God speaks, the soul in the human incarnation is forced to be dumb. Sometimes, even the soul in the human incarnation may claim that it is God and in such case, it will be insulted and punished. This happened in the case of Parashurama, who thought that he killed all the kings.

He was insulted and punished by Rama. When this is the case of the soul present in the human incarnation, what about the case of souls present in the human beings? Such souls will be punished in the hell for reformation. Sometimes the soul in the human incarnation may keep silent when he is praised as God by the devotees. The silence is forced on the soul by the God. If the soul reveals the truth, the devotees may be deeply hurt and pained. They prayed God to see Him and to speak with Him. Therefore, the secrecy of technique of the human incarnation should be maintained by the soul. However, such silence should not mislead the soul to think that it is really God or is transformed in to God really. In the alloy, the atoms of Gold remain as Gold and the atoms of copper remain as copper. Neither Gold became copper nor vice-versa. You should limit the example within some boundaries and you should not analyze the example deeply.

Infact, the Gold and copper are inter-convertible by artificial transmutation and this point should not be brought here to spoil the concept. If you take like that with extensive analysis, there can be no simile to God. All the items in the creation are imaginable and cannot be compared to unimaginable God. Therefore, you should not cross the limits of the simile in understanding the concept about God. The science is blessed to the human beings by God to understand the spiritual knowledge in deeper real sense. But, the human beings diverted the science to create more facilities. Infact, God has created all the facilities based on balance of nature leading to perfect health. All the inventions of science for the extra facilities proved to be harmful by the environmental science, which clearly proves that these inventions are not the intentions of God to bless the human beings with advanced scientific knowledge.

You should not blame God that He is unable to make us understand the unimaginable God. So far we are thinking that we are able to understand God after doing lot of penance. This wrong knowledge is removed by God and today, you understood that you can never understand God. This point is also supported by the absence of spatial dimensions of God. By this, scientists need not think that the unimaginable God beyond space does not exist at all. The genuine miracles, which are unimaginable events, exhibited by unimaginable source called as God, establish the existence of unimaginable entity and it is supported by the point that such unimaginable God is beyond space being the creator of space.

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Posted 2014-03-11 2:30 AM (#211341 - in reply to #124211)
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