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mishoga
Posted 2007-05-14 5:57 AM (#86186)
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How many of you practice mantras and chanting in class? How often? At what point in class do you bring them in?

Also, what is the avarage amount of classes you teach per week? And your age????

Thanks.

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jonnie
Posted 2007-05-14 6:04 AM (#86187 - in reply to #86186)
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Apart from the opening chant (Ashtanga, Iyengar or three AUMs depending on class) I wouldn't teach mantra as part of an asana class.

I'm 38

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kulkarnn
Posted 2007-05-14 7:11 AM (#86197 - in reply to #86186)
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mishoga - 2007-05-14 5:57 AM

How many of you practice mantras and chanting in class?
===> Yes. Chanting yes in each class regardless of what that class is. Manta ONLY a Chanting Class..



How often?
===> In non Chanting Yoga Exercise class: 5 min at the end. IN a Meditation Class, throughout upto 10 min, in Chanting class throuout upto 90 min.


At what point in class do you bring them in?

===> see above.

Also, what is the avarage amount of classes you teach per week? And your age????

===> 1 a day.


Thanks.


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TampaEric
Posted 2007-05-14 8:43 AM (#86203 - in reply to #86186)
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Hey Mishoga,

Beginning:
I either do:
Ashtanga Chant
three Oms
Anusara (Shiva Chant)
Eight limbs chant (Yama, Niyama, etc)

At the end
Ashtanga Closing
Three Oms
Anusara (Shiva Chant)
Om Mane Padma Hum
Chakras sounds
Or just: Loka Samasta Sukino Bhavantu or
Om Shanti
Eight limbs chant (Yama, Niyama, etc)

I usually teach 3-4 classes:

I'm 37

Eric


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Posted 2007-05-14 9:52 AM (#86212 - in reply to #86203)
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Oms and Invocation to Patanjali every class. I also chant the invocation near the end of savasana. I teach 5 classes per week.
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Posted 2007-05-14 5:04 PM (#86265 - in reply to #86186)
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Oms and the Gayatri from the Rg Veda (Vishwamitra) to open class then Oms and Sri Aurobindos Gayatri to close.

No mudras.

I'm 43

Until the college program ends I'm teaching two classes per week.
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souljourney108
Posted 2007-05-14 9:19 PM (#86278 - in reply to #86186)
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Hi Mishoga and yogi friends...

I have 2 classes a week with an average of 4 people in the classes (but the numbers don't matter, even if I only ever shared with one person, I'm happy). I live in a small town with lots of yoga teachers ( Byron Bay in Australia). 39 times have traveled around the sun in this body...

The chant I love to do at the start , is:
Om Asathoma Sat gamaya
Tamasoma Jyotir gamaya
Mrityoyma Amritan gamaya
Om shanti, shanti , shanti...

means:
Take me from the unreal to the real
Take me from darkness to the light
Take me from death to immortality
Om Peace, peace, peace.


I like to end class with 3 Oms...

Nice to hear what others do...
Peace to all,
Soul

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yogabrian
Posted 2007-05-14 11:32 PM (#86285 - in reply to #86186)
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I don't talk about them in my classes, my crowd generally is not into it. If someone asks about I will though.

I teach 20-25 classes a week.

I am 33
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Posted 2007-05-15 1:15 AM (#86287 - in reply to #86278)
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Newfound respect. Who taught you that mantra?


souljourney108 - 2007-05-14 6:19 PM
The chant I love to do at the start , is:
Om Asathoma Sat gamaya
Tamasoma Jyotir gamaya
Mrityoyma Amritan gamaya
Om shanti, shanti , shanti...

means:
Take me from the unreal to the real
Take me from darkness to the light
Take me from death to immortality
Om Peace, peace, peace.
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OrangeMat
Posted 2007-05-15 6:47 AM (#86301 - in reply to #86278)
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souljourney108 - 2007-05-14 9:19 PM The chant I love to do at the start , is: Om Asathoma Sat gamaya Tamasoma Jyotir gamaya Mrityoyma Amritan gamaya Om shanti, shanti , shanti... means: Take me from the unreal to the real Take me from darkness to the light Take me from death to immortality Om Peace, peace, peace. I like to end class with 3 Oms... Nice to hear what others do... Peace to all, Soul

This is one of my favorite chants as well. Though I learned the translation of the last line to mean "lead me from the fear of death to the knowledge of immortality". A lot more doable that way in real life, don't you think?

I don't have any classes going yet, but the chant I would teach once the time comes would probably be Purnam Adah:

OM Purnam Adah
Purnam Idam
Purnat Purnam Udacyate
Purnasya Purnam Aadaya
Purnam Evavasisyate
OM Shanti Shanti Shanti


That is full / complete / perfect / infinite.
This is full / complete / perfect / infinite.
Perfection arises from the Perfect,
Taking the Perfect from the Perfect,
It remains as the Perfect alone.
OM, Peace, Peace, Peace.

To me, this means "no worries". We're already complete as we are, can't do anything to mess that up, and don't need to work so hard to be there. Pretty cool, eh?

The few times I have taught, I started class with 3 oms and finished class with one. It would seem incomplete without at least that much.

In sacred text study class we chant Sahana Vavatu, the Togetherness Mantra for Student and Teacher, which I have been asked to lead on occasion:

OM Sahana Vavatu
Sahanau Bhunaktu
Saha Viryam Karavavahai
Tejasvi Navadhitam Astu
Ma Vidvishavahai
OM Shanti Shanti Shanti
Accept us both together
Protect us both together
May our knowledge and strength increase
May we not resent each other
OM Peace, Peace, Peace

In meditation class, we always chant something different, depending on the focus of the class that week, though invariably we chant the Gayatri Mantra and Maha Mrtyunjaya Mantra (Chant for World Peace). I'm sure everyone knows those.

I never knew chanting was something I missed in my life until I started doing it regularly in all the yoga classes I attend. To me it wouldn't be Yoga without it.



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souljourney108
Posted 2007-05-15 8:35 AM (#86304 - in reply to #86301)
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Hey IA,
I learned it in 97 in Mysore when I was there doing Astanga, from a friend who was studying with another teacher.

OrangeMat - 2007-05-16 8:47 PM
"lead me from the fear of death to the knowledge of immortality". A lot more doable that way in real life, don't you think?


Yes OM, that makes more sense.That's how I understand the meaning and like to explain it. "Take me from death to immortality" could be mistaken as a desire to keep the body immortal. Mistaking the body for who one is.

Peace,
Soul

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TampaEric
Posted 2007-05-15 10:40 AM (#86311 - in reply to #86285)
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20-25 classes a week!

I'm speechless..
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Kym
Posted 2007-05-15 11:26 PM (#86360 - in reply to #86186)
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No. 2 classes per week. I'm 38. Why do you ask and what are your answers?
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kulkarnn
Posted 2007-05-15 11:51 PM (#86365 - in reply to #86186)
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OM Purnam Adah
Purnam Idam
Purnat Purnam Udacyate
Purnasya Purnam Aadaya
Purnam Evavasisyate
OM Shanti Shanti Shanti

That is full / complete / perfect / infinite.
This is full / complete / perfect / infinite.
Perfection arises from the Perfect,
Taking the Perfect from the Perfect,
It remains as the Perfect alone.
OM, Peace, Peace, Peace.
To me, this means "no worries". We're already complete as we are, can't do anything to mess that up, and don't need to work so hard to be there. Pretty cool, eh?
===> No Dear OM. That does not mean 'pretty cool, and we do not have to work hard'. It means that 'we have to work until we actually realize something'. That something is described here 'one brahman which is everywhere and is totally undivided all the time'. Until one actually realizes that one has to practice.



mrutyormaamrutam gamaya
"lead me from the fear of death to the knowledge of immortality"
===> No Dear OM. It is not 'fear of death' and 'knowledge of immortality'. It is 'from Death to Immortality' as quoted correctly by Soul. Death is for those who are body conscious due to vasanas and therefore caught in the birth-death lifecycles. And, Immortality is for those who are liberated.

===> Dear SoulJ: Chanting of Sahanaavavatu can be found on one page of my site, possibly instructors or Instruction page. Speakers on.
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mishoga
Posted 2007-05-16 5:20 AM (#86377 - in reply to #86360)
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Kym - 2007-05-15 11:26 PM

No. 2 classes per week. I'm 38. Why do you ask and what are your answers?


At the present time I don't chant or use mantras in class. I would like to introduce them and I would use bija mantras.
I find the typical "Ohms" in many classes but it seems like the teachers are bringing them in class because that's what they are supposed to do, not because they have a connection with it. (At least this is what I experienced with a large percentage of classes I've attended, not all but most)

Now I teach 8-11 classes a week. I'm 43 years old.

just interested in what other teachers do.
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Posted 2007-05-16 5:23 AM (#86378 - in reply to #86186)
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i usually use Om in class, though occassionally i'll take my class through the mantras for the chakras or use Om Shanti. Om shanti is rare, though. the others are more common, and we always Om.

i teach between 15 and 25 classes per week depending upon the time of year. i'm 30.

i'm in new zealand still, finally on vacation, and having a great time. i did get a bit sea sick on the ferry from picton to wellington, but aside from that the views are beautiful. enjoyed a lord of the rings themed tour around wellington today--lots of fun--and tomorrow we do a bit more (te papa museum, go to the film company for ryan to meet a few folks, dinner at a modern maori cuisine restaurant called Kai in the City (kai is maori for 'food' i think), and then we're meeting up with our friend diane and she'll take us on a tour of the north island. we're psyched about that.

so, that's me for now.
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mishoga
Posted 2007-05-16 6:00 AM (#86380 - in reply to #86186)
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One more question????
For those who chant or use more involved mantras, do your students go along with you? How long does it take them to learn them???? How do you teach them?????

Sorry, I'm being a pain but I consider all of you my teachers
Namaste!
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OrangeMat
Posted 2007-05-16 7:01 AM (#86384 - in reply to #86365)
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Neel, thank you for your clarifications. Regarding purnam adah, of course we have to work. I am not negating that, advocating a slacker attitude, or anything like that. I guess my point in seeing it as "no worries" is that whatever work we do, there is a reason or point to it all, and that "prize" is oneness with universal consciousness, or brahman, as you said it. Maybe it's just me, but I find that concept extremely reasuring. It's my source of faith, I suppose you could say. Otherwise, why bother working in life at all (in this one and all the others) if there isn't going to be any payoff?

Overly simplified, to me this chant is the opposite of the saying "life's a bunch of chores and then you die". Unfortunately this has been the motto of too many people that I've been associated with in my life. And just because I describe it here in an oversimplified way doesn't mean I'm not considering it in all its complexities. This is the purpose of a mantra, isn't it? A shortened statement of words whose true meaning and depth encompasses pages and pages of writing. So that when you recall those few words in the convenient manner of chanting, you're inundated with the depth of their true meaning.

For me, purnam adah also speaks of belonging to the world, another issue I've been dealing with for most of my life. So yes, there is work to do, and it's my work and it's good, and in doing it I will belong to the vast completeness. No worries!

As for the birth-death discussion, I think we're talking the same thing but using words that mean different things to each other in the process. Your definition is exactly what I understand that chant to mean, though adding the words "fear of" and "knowledge of" helps my western mind grasp it further. Why do we fear death? Because we have no knowledge of immortality. And why is that? Because we ARE caught up in the birth-death lifecycle. Telling someone to just stop fearing something that they cannot understand is too much (I'm not doing a good job here in explaining myself, sorry). OK, how's this: if you tell me to discount death as something to be feared, I have a hard time believing you. But if you tell me my FEAR of death is what I need to let go of, as opposed to my CONCEPT of death itself, then maybe that I can handle first. To let go of what death itself means to me is too huge, so I need the baby step of letting go of the fear part first. Make sense?

So like I said, it's really all the same thing. The words I offered are the ones that I learned from my teacher as the meaning of the chant, as opposed to the literal translation that you offer. We westerners just need to go at our work with smaller steps and chunks, easily digestible for our deluded little minds!

My teacher's teacher told us in a lecture several months ago that as the most important thing, we need to stay on point. How we arrive at that point will differ for each individual, as well as the words that are used in getting to that universal understanding of that point. Probably yet another westernization that may not sit well with you either. Having knowledge of, even just a glimpse, ultimate truth gives one a sense of peace and contentment, yes? Personally, I think the words just get in the way after a while. The point still remains unchanged.

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kulkarnn
Posted 2007-05-17 12:47 PM (#86477 - in reply to #86186)
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Dear OM: I am sorry if you felt offended. I only gave my Translation and one can do whatever they want with it. To understand this point, you might view my youtube portions.

Peace.
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OrangeMat
Posted 2007-05-17 1:15 PM (#86487 - in reply to #86477)
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Hi Neel,

Not offended whatsoever! Actually, I do enjoying hearing viewpoints that are opposed to mine. Helps with keeping my mind flexible in many directions.

When two people discuss a topic from opposite viewpoints, the purpose of the discussion (imo) is not for one person to sway the other to their side. It's just to discuss, learn what you will learn from the other, take with you what works for you and leave the rest behind. Accepting that someone else's truth is their truth even though it might be diametrically opposed to your own, that's what I'm talking about here.

At the risk of a corniness overload.... we don't all have to agree to be happy. We just need to be happy.

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jonnie
Posted 2007-05-17 3:06 PM (#86505 - in reply to #86278)
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souljourney108 - 2007-05-15 5:19 AM

I live in a small town with lots of yoga teachers ( Byron Bay in Australia).



Hi Soul,

I stayed in Byron Bay for a few days a while ago.

What an incredibly cool place

Jonathon
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jonnie
Posted 2007-05-17 3:07 PM (#86506 - in reply to #86380)
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mishoga - 2007-05-16 2:00 PM

One more question????
For those who chant or use more involved mantras, do your students go along with you? How long does it take them to learn them???? How do you teach them?????

Sorry, I'm being a pain but I consider all of you my teachers
Namaste!


Hi Mish,

I learned the traditional call and response way.

Jonathon
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mishoga
Posted 2007-05-17 3:18 PM (#86509 - in reply to #86186)
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OK, now here's a question for those who don't chant/mantra.
Why?
For me the reason was students not wanting that (or not being ready for that). I have asked them and they outright said they do not want to chant.

Now, is one not teaching yoga if not teaching chanting/mantras? And why?
I don't mind chants/mantras when I'm the student. I rather enjoy it but am somewhat confused with the more complicated chants.

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Posted 2007-05-17 3:33 PM (#86514 - in reply to #86509)
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mishoga - 2007-05-18 11:18 PM

I have asked them and they outright said they do not want to chant.

Now, is one not teaching yoga if not teaching chanting/mantras? And why?
I don't mind chants/mantras when I'm the student. I rather enjoy it but am somewhat confused with the more complicated chants.


Don't ask them Mish, tell them

You are doing Yoga if you don't chant, though it certainly adds a different energetic dimension to the practise.

Go and learn from Neel and then introduce them slowly. tell your students that those who want to chant with you can chant and those that don't can listen. That way everyone's happy

Jonathon

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yogabrian
Posted 2007-05-17 3:36 PM (#86515 - in reply to #86186)
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Chanting is just not my thing.
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souljourney108
Posted 2007-05-17 8:44 PM (#86553 - in reply to #86186)
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Hey Jonnie... Byron bay is a cool place...beautiful beaches, beautiful forests not far...

Hey Mish... I give out a sheet with the chant and translation and do it call and response(I do the response a bit softer). And I agree with Jonnie, 'Tell them'... may open them up to new places they've not yet visited. Some people may have been told not to sing or chant when they were kids...may have been told they have bad voices etc... may bring up vasanas. Good to confront this.We can open many ways, expand in many, every way, with yoga practices.
I know when i started chanting I had some shyness... now i love focusing on the sound and knowing the meaning opens the heart more to dwell in peace, to be at Home. Om.

Hari Om,
Soul
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kulkarnn
Posted 2007-05-17 11:06 PM (#86567 - in reply to #86487)
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OrangeMat - 2007-05-17 1:15 PM

Hi Neel,

Not offended whatsoever! Actually, I do enjoying hearing viewpoints that are opposed to mine. Helps with keeping my mind flexible in many directions.

When two people discuss a topic from opposite viewpoints, the purpose of the discussion (imo) is not for one person to sway the other to their side. It's just to discuss, learn what you will learn from the other, take with you what works for you and leave the rest behind. Accepting that someone else's truth is their truth even though it might be diametrically opposed to your own, that's what I'm talking about here.

At the risk of a corniness overload.... we don't all have to agree to be happy. We just need to be happy.



Well, since you are so flexible, let me pour out. Actually, the verses from Vedas have specific meanings, they are not used for students to ponder on with various meanings. They are outcome of the realizations from the realized soul. The problem is : the understanding is passed on by oral tradition and then in the current secular world, an imagination is used for interpretation.

For example mrutyormaamrutam gamaya. mrutyu here denotes a state of existence where death exists. and, amruta here denotes a state of existence where immortality exists. This is denote the distinction between Non-Realized personality and Realized Personality. The word mrutyu does not denote Fear of Death, even though the state of Death Existence includes Fear in it.

Therefore, the translation is From Death to Immortality. Death meaning the State of Existence. Not the quality or one partial property of it.
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kulkarnn
Posted 2007-05-17 11:13 PM (#86570 - in reply to #86186)
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Darling Mishy: I agree with Jonnie Suggestions. I am putting the same, but in a slightly different way.

1. First decide whether you yourself want chanting or not in your class. And, how much. And, the nature of your class.

2. If your answer is NO, then stop here.

3. If your answer is YES, make sure that you are going to do that chanting part yourself regardless of whether anyone else does it or not. So, tell the students that you are going to chant and they may or may not follow.

4. If you want to tempt them to follow, take some other people who like chanting with you to your class. And, by watching them others may get encouraged.

5. If you follow the above procedure for a sufficient time, you will get at least some students who shall follow the chanting.

6. Chanting is an essential element in Yoga Practice. But, it is not an essential element in Yoga Exercise done for physical health.
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Posted 2007-05-18 10:21 AM (#86620 - in reply to #86570)
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kulkarnn - 2007-05-17 11:13 PM

6. Chanting is an essential element in Yoga Practice. But, it is not an essential element in Yoga Exercise done for physical health.


Kulkarnn summed this up well. I was just introduced to chanting and can not imagine yoga without it.

I do wonder about chants in English. And/or chants that fit with a students religious affiliations.

So is your answer yes or no?

Vic
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mishoga
Posted 2007-05-18 2:50 PM (#86665 - in reply to #86186)
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Is that yes or no to me?????
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Posted 2007-05-18 10:52 PM (#86721 - in reply to #86620)
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victw - 2007-05-18 10:21 AM

kulkarnn - 2007-05-17 11:13 PM

6. Chanting is an essential element in Yoga Practice. But, it is not an essential element in Yoga Exercise done for physical health.


Kulkarnn summed this up well. I was just introduced to chanting and can not imagine yoga without it.

I do wonder about chants in English. And/or chants that fit with a students religious affiliations.

So is your answer yes or no?

Vic


Chant can be English as long as the chanter has the same feeling and respect or whatever for them as a traditional Sanskrit Chanter shall have for them. For example, if one is a devotional person, I can say 'Cosmic Chants' by Swami Yogananda Paramahnsa will do the job. They are not denoting any particular religion.

In my chanting workshop, I demonstrate English Chants to show this fact. I have recordings of this workshop. See my website.
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Posted 2007-05-19 2:23 AM (#86734 - in reply to #86186)
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mish:

I do not ask if my students want to chant. I want to chant, and so we chant. When introducing chanting (namely, Om), i give an in-depth description of what Om is and means, how it functions on the physical and energetic levels (nada yoga information), how to chant Om, and then we chant Om. Part of the description process involves the fact that it is a blessing to be able to do Om. I say "look, cows cannot say Om, nor can Pigs or Chickens. Some parrots may be able to Om, but most creatures cannot. My rabbit, beloved October J, cannot Om. So to be able to Om is a blessing. And so, try it. Try Om. See what happens."

even the religious christians in the room chant. it's common in my classroom. When i introduce another chant, i explain it. Then we do it. easy enough.

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Posted 2007-05-19 3:05 AM (#86735 - in reply to #86186)
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I think that if you want to chant, then chant. You will become a chanting teacher. Those that want to chant will still come to your class and those who don't will find another teacher. There are students for every teacher and teachers for every student. So, if ZB were chanting and I didn't care for it, I'd find another teacher, which would would perfect for me. Conversely, if a teacher suddenly started chanting, I might be ready for it and it would be perfect.
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Posted 2007-05-19 10:11 AM (#86748 - in reply to #86735)
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Just a little word here. I did a short demo class with some kids recently and was careful to ask the group leaders if it was ok to chant OM. They were fine with it and I felt it was ok, but I did not get the kids to chant the invocation with me. There are cases where asking permission is a good idea and I felt this was one of those.
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Posted 2007-05-20 5:44 PM (#86851 - in reply to #86186)
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true enough, tourist--cept generally, when teaching children, i'm teaching them in a classroom with adults, so they get what everyone gets no matter what. but when i'm teaching children separately (rare), i include in the materials (advertising) that chanting is an aspect of the workshop. if the parents sign their children up for the workshop, then i assume that they approve of what will be taught, including the chanting.
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Posted 2007-05-21 12:23 AM (#86864 - in reply to #86186)
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Mish,

The few chantings I do as a teacher or student (the gayatri of Vishwamitra and Aurobindo) do not come from my wanting to chat them, per se. They come instead from what they are, what we are doing, what we are manifesting. It is not to hear me chant, to hear students chant, or simply for the addition of melody into an asana class - though those things are fine.

To be clear, there are classes where I do not chant at all. There are some classes where I do not Om. There are some classes where I am the only one Oming. If I can unite the students harmoniously without the harmony/unity of OM then the class and I can do that. It "works" toward the practice as we move forward into it.

I don't think I am a "chanting teacher" however as my understanding of yoga increases AND the understanding of my students also increases, we add to the learning. One of the adds may very well be an invocation, a chant, an om, centering, etcetera. It is both knowledge and wisdom based.

namaste my dear.

Edited by purnayoga 2007-05-21 12:24 AM
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Posted 2007-05-21 9:03 AM (#86887 - in reply to #86278)
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souljourney108 - 2007-05-14 9:19 PM

The chant I love to do at the start , is:
Om Asathoma Sat gamaya
Tamasoma Jyotir gamaya
Mrityoyma Amritan gamaya
Om shanti, shanti , shanti...

means:
Take me from the unreal to the real
Take me from darkness to the light
Take me from death to immortality
Om Peace, peace, peace.




I absolutely love this chant/mantra. It's so hypnotic for me.

Anyway, this is the scoop. I am teaching at a yoga studio tomorrow night. One of the classes I'm subbing in for is a Astanga class. They are very dedicated. I know how it is with subbing. This particular class is into chanting, mantras, etc......
They have been informed I am coming in and teaching a Rahini Vinyasa Flow. I feel like they will expect the chanting from me. Eventually I want to bring chanting into my classes but I am not quite ready I want to be authentic, not rehearsed but because of this my ego is consumed with approval. I don't want to be preoocupied with this emotion. I'm feeling insecure, a feeling I've never had teaching. It's uncomfortable for me.
It's funny, Susan was asking about teaching and someone replied "you have to be ready to suck". I guess I should embrace that (not that I think I'm going to suck at all) I just dislike the whole sub-in scene.

I have to add something else here. When I first graduated out of my TT there were certain aspects of my training in reference to specific yoga practices and philosophy I could not grasp. I rejected them. In the 3+ years since, many of those same concepts I am now very interested in. This is why I say I want to chant in class but feel I am not experienced, have enough knowledge, or comfortable with. But I do feel this is in my future. I have told my students this too.
I have taken many, many yoga classes and I really haven't been exposed to chanting/mantras often. And when they do incorporate it in the class format, they don't explain it's meaning. It's hard to connect with something that has no meaning.

Edited by mishoga 2007-05-21 9:15 AM
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Posted 2007-05-21 10:49 AM (#86900 - in reply to #86186)
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Mish,

Just be yourself, a good class is a good class. Chanting or not, if you teach well no one will really care if you do all chanting and such.
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Posted 2007-05-21 11:40 AM (#86908 - in reply to #86186)
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Posted 2007-05-21 12:19 PM (#86912 - in reply to #86186)
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Darling Mishy: You are going to be just fine. Just chant OM in this particular class.
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Posted 2007-05-21 12:20 PM (#86913 - in reply to #86186)
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Otay Spanky!

Neel, are you familiar with the "Little Rascals"
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Posted 2007-05-21 3:25 PM (#86939 - in reply to #86913)
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mishoga - 2007-05-21 12:20 PM

Otay Spanky!

Neel, are you familiar with the "Little Rascals"


No Dear Mishy. I can not say in 'Black and White' about them. Not even 'Little or Rascals or Spanky'. I am lacking in that area.
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Posted 2007-05-22 11:56 PM (#87049 - in reply to #86186)
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The guy's from India for g-d's sake and your using an Alfalfa reference?
Give him something he can work with.

As far as the class Mish, their expectations are to be turned over and dumped out so they are not holding or clinging and are actually being asked, through the release of expectations, to live yoga.

And you are your best you when you are you. Clearly you've expressed your discomfort in leading this group in chanting. And that makes perfect sense. So do not do it. You can allow them to internally recite the chant they use to open class in your opening. But you are a Rahini teacher, no? So you will teach within the borders of your discpline.

In the future (as I see it) perhaps consider NOT taking on these particular subbing situations (if they place you in this position we are discussing). It is always okay to say "it is not a class I feel I can sub for". I've done it several times when being requested to sub in for a flow class. But when I do accept I do not rush in and teach "flow". I just find ways to teach what I teach but give the student what I gather they've come for - sweat.



Edited by purnayoga 2007-05-22 11:58 PM
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Posted 2007-05-23 9:48 AM (#87065 - in reply to #86186)
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Gordon, I realized after I made that post to Neel that he most probably didn't know Spanky, Buckwheat. etc...... But you got it

OK, I did it so I lost my virginity. it was rough. I totally was not myself. But it is what it is.
In the second class, 9 of my students paid to attend class. that was awesome.
But I definitely don't like the sub-in scene.

During the end of the second class, during closing, my phone went off. It was my husband My ring is "Don't you love her madly" by the Doors (loud). I grabbed my bag and threw it out of the studio and apologized. Of all times

I'm trying to stay detached today.
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Posted 2007-05-23 10:06 AM (#87068 - in reply to #87065)
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mishoga - 2007-05-24 5:48 PM

During the end of the second class, during closing, my phone went off. It was my husband My ring is "Don't you love her madly" by the Doors (loud). I grabbed my bag and threw it out of the studio and apologized.


Naughty naughty....

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Posted 2007-05-23 10:21 AM (#87074 - in reply to #86186)
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Posted 2007-05-23 10:29 AM (#87076 - in reply to #87074)
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Mish - good for you to try the chanting. I think the main things is that. like asana, you must have this practice established firmly as your own before you begin trying to introduce it to others. And knowing the first time will be a bit shaky, you would probably want to chose the class to start with very carefully. A group you know well and who will be forgiving is probably a good idea
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Posted 2007-05-24 2:16 AM (#87149 - in reply to #87074)
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mishoga - 2007-05-24 6:21 PM

BORAK!!!!!


Hi Mish,

What's BORAK?

I hope it's not rude

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Posted 2007-05-24 1:29 PM (#87204 - in reply to #86186)
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Borat, it's that crazy guy who just had a movie name "Borat". (I meant to say Borat)
One of his sayings was "Naughty Naughty" It was quite funny the way he said it too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2GfpNcO6xY
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Posted 2007-05-29 1:49 PM (#87695 - in reply to #86186)
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Ah Borat!

Now I get it

Without starting the whole 'was Borat funny?' argument again, I actually watched it recently and laughed so much my sides hurt

Jonathon
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Posted 2007-05-30 10:00 AM (#87803 - in reply to #86186)
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ryan watched it on the plane home and laughed so hard he was crying, but also said he felt incredibly shocked by the movie. not by borat, but rather by the various americans interviewed. he said that we are a shocking bunch of people.

i tried to watch it, but after seeing him squatting in front of a hotel sign, i just turned it off. it was too uncomfortable for me. i watched The Little Mermaid instead.
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Posted 2007-05-30 11:17 AM (#87810 - in reply to #86186)
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The Little Mermaid is good too.
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