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"Is there such a thing? The exercise is of itself wonderful but as I read the Sutras I long for open discussion of there meaning to different individuals. Juda" | |
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| tourist - 2006-06-20 10:43 AM
I have moved this question to the Philosophy section:
"Is there such a thing? The exercise is of itself wonderful but as I read the Sutras I long for open discussion of there meaning to different individuals. Juda"
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| Maybe my wording was lacking of clear meaning.......I get such enjoyment and mental stimulation from reading them and by now they are incorporated into my approach to life......I guess I long to share with some (willing) of simular studies. Example.....from "The Light of The Soul"--the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali......interpreted by Alice Bailey with the help of Djuwal Khul.....they always state 'ego/soul'. That is two aspects of 'self' that I have always kept separate with two entirely different meanings......I also read C.G.Jung. I have spent some months now in contemplation and experimentation attempting to enterchange the two terms......ego and soul. I was somewhat amazed at the expansion of my thinking when I did that. The two friends I discussed it with are not familier with the Sutras......I long for thoughts from another individual who is accustom to simply sharing thinking. I am not interested in someone's attempt to convince me their thoughts are truth and there is no other way of looking at it..........I get weary of that atitude because it is so prevelant. I totally enjoy thinking together to see what 2 minds come up with......I tire of my own thinking on occasion and certainly have not arrived at any absolute truths.....unless it be LOVE. Sincerely, Juda | |
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| Thanks Juda. Now, I understand. That means you want to just share ideas and discuss understandings, etc. | |
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| YES! I would enjoy that very much........thank-you! Juda | |
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| judamom - 2006-06-20 5:05 PM
YES! I would enjoy that very much........thank-you! Juda
Thanks Juda. Now, since you are open to discussion and also you have accepted the challenge indicated by Sister Tourist's response, I wish to ask/state the following.
What would be a problem with someone saying that there statement is Truth, and another statement which is NOT the same as their statement untruth. Because if two statements which are different from each other can be a) either both untrue b) one true and another untrue c) both partially true (which also means partially untrue!). But, there is NO chance are both are perfectly ture. Agreed? | |
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| I'm not familiar with the Sutras, I confess I get mind boggled. I had to respond to the question though, which I read as a riddle. If the statement was an opinion, than any number of statements could be true. Way too simple, I know. Please just exclude opinions and proceed and dig deeper. | |
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| Just what I was afraid of......your question disappeared....but let me try here. Logically, everything you said was agreed with BUT I am at a place where I find difficulty with TRUTH. What is truth? Your truth does not make my truth untrue for me, and visa versa. I honor your truth, for you, respectfully, because you have taken the time and effort to establish it, thus it has a meaning for you. I stopped thinking in terms of absolutes awhile back and now I am more stimulated by imagining the possibility of every senario possible......all possible truths for someone, somewhere. I would be most encouraged at dialog from an attitude of THOUGHTS rather than TRUTHS. If you are sure of a TRUTH, need it be discussed further? | |
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| judamom - 2006-06-20 10:56 PM
Just what I was afraid of......your question disappeared....but let me try here. Logically, everything you said was agreed with BUT I am at a place where I find difficulty with TRUTH. What is truth? Your truth does not make my truth untrue for me, and visa versa. I honor your truth, for you, respectfully, because you have taken the time and effort to establish it, thus it has a meaning for you. I stopped thinking in terms of absolutes awhile back and now I am more stimulated by imagining the possibility of every senario possible......all possible truths for someone, somewhere. I would be most encouraged at dialog from an attitude of THOUGHTS rather than TRUTHS. If you are sure of a TRUTH, need it be discussed further?
Very good Juda. It seems that what you term as Truth in these lines is sort of Opinion or Ideal or Thought as you quoted elsewhere. However, if you use the word Truth, I find it problematic. Because, Truth can ONLY be one, I mean two contradictory things can not be true. (For example: In my opinion Michale Jackson is a boy. In, my sister's opinion, Michale Jackson is a girl. Now, both opinions are present, but they can not be Truth.) Now, I agree that if one has the Truth, one may not need any discussion to find that Truth. But, if one does not have Truth, one may need or choose to have discussion to find it or find a way to it. But, then when one is doing such a thing, then one can not assume that there are many truths, and one should NOT also assume that because then one shall never find that one truth. Agreed? | |
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| kulkarnn - 2006-06-21 8:42 AM
Because, Truth can ONLY be one, I mean two contradictory things can not be true. (For example: In my opinion Michale Jackson is a boy. In, my sister's opinion, Michale Jackson is a girl.
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| Okay, I can see that I have Truth and Absolutes linked together in my mind.....and I may need to separate them. The Dictionary says....conformity to knowledge, fact, actuality, or logic. I can easily understand that when put to solid thinking, in other words, referring to provable subject matter. I cannot so easily understand when the term truth is connected with spiritual issues because they are less provable. Now the definition of Absolute is (1) perfect in quality or nature, complete. (2) Not mixed: pure; unalterated. Another challenge I have, I no longer interpret things in a dualistic manner. I consider that I have integrated the duality of interpretation of reality and in the integrated place there are no longer judgements or opinions and that effects Truth in the Spiritual realm also. Do you see why I love discussion? As one attempts to present the most honest and clear communication to another it clearifies and expands 'thinking'. Why is Michael Jackson not male 'and' female-------aren't we all, actually, male and female?......then if we bring in reincarnation (which I consider strongly but am not attached to--all I know for absolute sureness is I AM here NOW. Visions of past lifes for myself and others could be mind playfulness as far as scientists would credit......and that IS a possiblility.) Please, your turn.....and thank-you for the opportunity to put thoughts down for sharing with others. I so encourage others to do the same. Sincerely Juda | |
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| bstqltmkr I hope you are still with us........I meant to welcome you before. Please join in again. Juda | |
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| Thanks Juda, I was thinking those same points on male and female. I was glad to see Neel agree that opposing opinions could be true. But really, isn't someone's personal truth just an opinion after all. I can also see things in my life that would support a belief in reincarnation, but am not attached to the idea. Thinking that we have to learn these same lessons over and over again makes it all seem sad and fruitless. The Christian concept of heaven holds no attraction for me either. I hope that after I finish here and go on into whatever waits for us, I can travel as some form of energy. Hopefully something that travels at least as fast as the speed of light, because some of those galaxies are million of light years away. I'm assuming that time will even be a factor. | |
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| judamom - 2006-06-21 1:31 PM
Okay, I can see that I have Truth and Absolutes linked together in my mind.....and I may need to separate them. The Dictionary says....conformity to knowledge, fact, actuality, or logic. I can easily understand that when put to solid thinking, in other words, referring to provable subject matter. I cannot so easily understand when the term truth is connected with spiritual issues because they are less provable. Now the definition of Absolute is (1) perfect in quality or nature, complete. (2) Not mixed: pure; unalterated. Another challenge I have, I no longer interpret things in a dualistic manner. I consider that I have integrated the duality of interpretation of reality and in the integrated place there are no longer judgements or opinions and that effects Truth in the Spiritual realm also. Do you see why I love discussion? As one attempts to present the most honest and clear communication to another it clearifies and expands 'thinking'. Why is Michael Jackson not male 'and' female-------aren't we all, actually, male and female?......then if we bring in reincarnation (which I consider strongly but am not attached to--all I know for absolute sureness is I AM here NOW. Visions of past lifes for myself and others could be mind playfulness as far as scientists would credit......and that IS a possiblility.) Please, your turn.....and thank-you for the opportunity to put thoughts down for sharing with others. I so encourage others to do the same. Sincerely Juda
Very good Juda. There are many points in the above. Let us take one at a time. The spiritual truths are difficult to prove because : Material truths are proven by perceptions through 5 senses. And, spiritual truth is beyond the perception. But, truely speaking or spiritual speaking or philosophically speaking, material truths are False because material is constantly changing and one truth today is no more. For example, Newton's law of gravitation is materially true in one form, but it is not true in general. Thus, really speaking there is NO truth in material plane or in NON-spiritual plane. In spiritual plane, however there is ONLY Truth. The problem is that to get to the truth in Spiritual plane, one has to transcend the material plane. And, once you transcend the material plane, there is only one thing left that is Spirit, Spritiual Plane or Spiritual Truth. And that Truth is ONLY one.
sarwam khalwidam brahma... vedas
That truth is called brahman. All else is NOT truth.
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| There's only one truth and we can't know it until we're finished here. I can agree with that. I think we also know before we get here, but for some reason can't know while we are here. | |
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| kulkarnn - 2006-06-21 2:05 PM
Material truths are proven by perceptions through 5 senses. And, spiritual truth is beyond the perception. But, truely speaking or spiritual speaking or philosophically speaking, material truths are False because material is constantly changing and one truth today is no more. For example, Newton's law of gravitation is materially true in one form, but it is not true in general. Thus, really speaking there is NO truth in material plane or in NON-spiritual plane. In spiritual plane, however there is ONLY Truth. The problem is that to get to the truth in Spiritual plane, one has to transcend the material plane. And, once you transcend the material plane, there is only one thing left that is Spirit, Spritiual Plane or Spiritual Truth. And that Truth is ONLY one.
sarwam khalwidam brahma... vedas
That truth is called brahman. All else is NOT truth.
is spirit energy?
as we look further and further into 'matter' we only see energy {using things like electron microscope and now today's even more advanced scopes and lasers}.
it {"the energy field"} appears as different material things because of arrangement--but isn't that simply maya?
so,
is spirit energy or light?
if so then matter is light/energy just veiled in illusion/maya.
and if so then matter is spirit, it is simply perception that causes the duality/confusion/maya/illusion.
and if so-so-so then there is only truth
but then what is maya?
where is it generated?
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| bstqltmkr - 2006-06-21 2:29 PM
Is that quantum physics?
i don't know, i'm awaiting Neel to let me know-,-he'd know better than i | |
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| So have we concluded.....There IS truth.....and.....There is NO truth? We are getting into Zen now. When we really contemplate being ALL ONE----there is NO separation. Everything is part of Everything......all atoms (speaking largely) moving and spinning and changing constantly. It seems the catagorizing and separation is 'just how it works here on Planet Earth'. And what if we are constantly creating our worlds by our thoughts....which could be energy. We could be doing it individually and collectively. It would certianly cause one to care more what one thought....hmm? Indeed this is quantum physics thinking and it gets me excited like nothing else. I would like to ask why can't spirit and energy be one and the same or at least synthethized. And could not spirit, energy and light be all equally the same? kulkarnn......That truth is called brahman. All else is NOT truth......is only true to the Yogi/Hindu.........some other philosophies may not consider that a truth at all.......so is that an opinion, or a sectarial belief meaningless to say a Christian?...who have truths quite different? I honor that we are in a Yoga Blog and I even consider myself more Yogi than any other 'title' but I understand it is meaningless to many others......do I have MORE TRUTH? I tend not to think so, only an opinion of what works more for me than some other Philosophy. What a good roll we have going....................Juda | |
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| Did you watch What the Bleep Do we Know? I liked everything except the title. It made it seem jokey, and it was a serious subject. I would like to travel as light, but I think they've discovered faster energies, and so I guess I would go even faster if I could. Something a million light years away would still take a million years. I wonder what consciousness is like at that speed. | |
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| Brother SCT:
All material gross or finer is divided into 5 elements:
Solids, Liquids, Gases, Energy, and Space. All these can be perceived one or more of 5 senses for sight, hearing, smell, touch and taste.
This also means that they can be described using these senses, such as that done in your post. Depending on the subtleness, a finer instrument is necessary. For example, to see egg of a chicken one can use humn eyes. But, to see egg of a human one may need a microscope. ETC.
Spirit is something beyond five senses. And, therefore, it can not also be described using them.
Spirit can only be experienced and then only its existence can be told. That is the Truth, or sat, sat meaning what exists permanently. All other is asat meaining it changes not existing permanently. | |
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| judamom - 2006-06-21 3:15 PM
So have we concluded.....There IS truth.....and.....There is NO truth? We are getting into Zen now. When we really contemplate being ALL ONE----there is NO separation. Everything is part of Everything......all atoms (speaking largely) moving and spinning and changing constantly. It seems the catagorizing and separation is 'just how it works here on Planet Earth'. And what if we are constantly creating our worlds by our thoughts....which could be energy. We could be doing it individually and collectively. It would certianly cause one to care more what one thought....hmm? Indeed this is quantum physics thinking and it gets me excited like nothing else. I would like to ask why can't spirit and energy be one and the same or at least synthethized. And could not spirit, energy and light be all equally the same? kulkarnn......That truth is called brahman. All else is NOT truth......is only true to the Yogi/Hindu.........some other philosophies may not consider that a truth at all.......so is that an opinion, or a sectarial belief meaningless to say a Christian?...who have truths quite different? I honor that we are in a Yoga Blog and I even consider myself more Yogi than any other 'title' but I understand it is meaningless to many others......do I have MORE TRUTH? I tend not to think so, only an opinion of what works more for me than some other Philosophy. What a good roll we have going....................Juda
Dear Real Truth, which is one. does not depend on a) opinion of one who believes in it and b) opinion of another who does not believe in it. and c) opinion of a third one who believes in something altogether different. Real truth only exists, and all other things depend on it. And, the purpose of Yoga is to practice to reach that truth. Once the truth is reached, no practice is needed, though one may do it for setting example to others. Whether one does a Hindu Practice or Muslim Practice or Christian practice, as long as they are reaching the Real Truth, not that of opinon, but of existence, they are doing the Yoga Practice. And, that is why Yoga is NOT anti-Hindu, anti-Muslim, anti_Christian, and at the same time it is NOT
pro-Hindu, pro-Muslim, pro-Christian. Real Truth, mentioned in Vedas is as follows:
ekam sat sadwipra bahuda wadanti... one truth is described by many in many ways.
But, truth is only one, which can not be fully described.
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | bstqltmkr - 2006-06-21 2:13 PM
There's only one truth and we can't know it until we're finished here. I can agree with that. I think we also know before we get here, but for some reason can't know while we are here.
Actually that is not true. Who says that anyway?? What is up with this thinking that we cannot know now in this present life at this present moment? This is self-defeat. That kind of thinking is an illusion and what is preventing you from KNOWING the truth.
I totally agree with Neel.
Also, no matter what we try to do to manipulate the truth by altering it with opinions and relgions, whatever, the Truth is there and it is ONE. Most people have only experienced *glimpses* of the truth, but it gets overlooked due to ignorance and because they fear it and they fear themselves based on their belief's. It's very subtle and SIMPLE...humans have made the truth complicated with their science and manipulations of each other and things. Human nature is to look without for the answers, it is taught every day in schools when children are small....if only they could be taught to go within, that is where the truth lies, waiting to be revealed. Very simple.
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| I did see it several times and loved it. I especially enjoyed the experiments with the water and the effects our thoughts have on cellular material things. Love made the water molecules turn to beautiful chrystal appearing pictures....the gentleman who discovered that has a book out with visual proof. Actually, I felt the title was somewhat appropriate for what the movie was trying to say....What the Bleep do we Know? It could be that the creator and the creation cannot fully be known with these human minds.........at least till we take the time and effort the be rid of the veils that block our understanding.....from everything I have read.......I have taken the time and the effort and I feel I see more clearly all the time and yet know I am still a beginner. I celebrate with each new understanding......knowing it will change as my mind expands. Like Carlos Castaneda learned from Don Juan, "Definitions Change as knowledge Increases" | |
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| Can/Do we know what you say is the "One Truth". I have searched all philosophies and religions for my entire life....starting at 8 years old with Christianity....which is now my least favorite of all the philosophies and I cannot say I have found "Truth" in any one of them. I find humans who say they know "The Truth" and attempt to convince me that their one philosophy has it.......thus they can stop searching (and in many cases stop thinking) but all philosophies take me to an uneasy, restless, and unanswerable place.....including Yoga. I cannot say I have found The Truth unless it be "Love" and that can be found in the most UNphilosophical and UNreligious places. I have only glimpsed "Love" on a couple of occasions and it was undescribable and completely overwhelming--and beyond anything we humans consider love to be. That I will accept as Truth.....all else is human made ritual, contemplation, explanation, and attempted in words.....although it is thought that Sanskrit is the most complete form of words to use in communication of thoughts and ideas it still lacks pure thought process, except by such few. Won't it be interested and exciting when we learn to freely communicate by simply exchanging thoughts with no words? Might I completely change the subject and ask if anyone can explain what our etheric body is. I have been fimiliar with it in studies forever and still have a feeling of wonderment whenever I come across it. I feel if I could just get a clear description from one who has a clear understanding in their mind that they are willing to share......it might be helpful. I read that our body organs are controled from our etheric bodies and that could be helpful in health......although I am extremely healthy it could be a teaching tool to others and maintaining their health if that be their concern. I picture the etheric body to be a replica of my material body, just outside and yet connected by the chakras mainly. That could be very different from someone else's thinking and I would totally honor someone else's understanding, be they willing to share. | |
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| kulkarnn - 2006-06-21 11:11 PM
Brother SCT:
All material gross or finer is divided into 5 elements:
Solids, Liquids, Gases, Energy, and Space. All these can be perceived one or more of 5 senses for sight, hearing, smell, touch and taste.
This also means that they can be described using these senses, such as that done in your post. Depending on the subtleness, a finer instrument is necessary. For example, to see egg of a chicken one can use humn eyes. But, to see egg of a human one may need a microscope. ETC.
Spirit is something beyond five senses. And, therefore, it can not also be described using them.
Spirit can only be experienced and then only its existence can be told. That is the Truth, or sat, sat meaning what exists permanently. All other is asat meaining it changes not existing permanently.
OK, thank you
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Spirit is not light, right?
can light be an adjuctive descriptor of spirit?
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| Okay, I was trying to put things into simple words for my own benefit. I should know better. Spiritual themes don't translate too well into simple words. Too many concepts. Personally, I could have a fulfilling life without knowing it all. Actually I do. And I can't know what will happen to me until I leave here, but I can wait. While I'm waiting I can attach myself to a theory, and believe it with every fiber of my being, but that won't make it truth. It will be just a theory that I believe in.
Speaking of which, I do have a theory I believe in. I won't go into how I came about this theory. It certainly wasn't scientific. I believe that before we start our lives here, we've made a conscious choice to be here. Once we're here in the physical word, we become overwhelmed with making our way in this life. I believe that newborn babies can remember where we come from, and that unexplained infant illness, such as colic, arise when these babies aren't reassured upon arrival. Their first experience with time is as a helpless infant, and a minute can feel like forever when you're hungry, or worse, and can't do anything to change your situation. I think these babies feel tricked into coming over, and feel resentful, and forget why they came over in the first place.
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| bstqltmkr - 2006-06-22 9:02 AM
Okay, I was trying to put things into simple words for my own benefit. I should know better. Spiritual themes don't translate too well into simple words. Too many concepts. Personally, I could have a fulfilling life without knowing it all. Actually I do. And I can't know what will happen to me until I leave here, but I can wait. While I'm waiting I can attach myself to a theory, and believe it with every fiber of my being, but that won't make it truth. It will be just a theory that I believe in.
Speaking of which, I do have a theory I believe in. I won't go into how I came about this theory. It certainly wasn't scientific. I believe that before we start our lives here, we've made a conscious choice to be here. Once we're here in the physical word, we become overwhelmed with making our way in this life. I believe that newborn babies can remember where we come from, and that unexplained infant illness, such as colic, arise when these babies aren't reassured upon arrival. Their first experience with time is as a helpless infant, and a minute can feel like forever when you're hungry, or worse, and can't do anything to change your situation. I think these babies feel tricked into coming over, and feel resentful, and forget why they came over in the first place.
babies?!
out of my four, and when it comes to raising them, i've come to the conclusion that, as a man in America, i've played a larger role in baby handling than most.
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| Four babies, how nice for you! I think before we get here we know our lives are really just a blink of the eye, but when we get here and have to wait for everything it all seems a horrible trick. It isn't until later in life that we can appreciate how fast time is actually passing, and even then, waiting can be torture. Babies can be reassured by reminding them how quickly they are learning and growing and changing. I think this anyway, I'm sure it's all b.s. to someone else. | |
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| SCThornley - 2006-06-22 8:26 AM
OK, thank you
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Spirit is not light, right?
===> Yes, It is NOT Optical light.
can light be an adjuctive descriptor of spirit?
===> In a certain context, you can do it if you like. Generally, light is used to describe sattwa guna, that is serene tendency, and also knowledge.
but then, matter really is light/energy, all agreed?
===> Matter is energy. That is known and is described as e = mc squared... Eienstein
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| ok so this "not this" exercise is has determined what spirit is not
what is spirit?
what is soul?
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| bstqltmkr - 2006-06-22 10:29 AM
Four babies, how nice for you! I think before we get here we know our lives are really just a blink of the eye, but when we get here and have to wait for everything it all seems a horrible trick. It isn't until later in life that we can appreciate how fast time is actually passing, and even then, waiting can be torture. Babies can be reassured by reminding them how quickly they are learning and growing and changing. I think this anyway, I'm sure it's all b.s. to someone else.
oiy vey! four children, yes 2, 6, 8, 15 years old---how did it ever happen this way? i used to be such a trendy young bachelor[joking].
some personalities are just happy in their own skin, others are not satisfied--some are naturally patient others can not stand to wait
that is the only thing that makes sense to me as i watch them grow
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| Watching children grow up is such an amazing education. I've been lucky to be able to do it both with my own and other's children for the past 25 or so years. I have 2 little girls (under 2 years old - I work in an early childhood centre with toddlers) right now who are absolute images of their mothers physically, temperamentally and behaviourally. I have a sense that, no matter what their upbringing, experiences or any other variables, they would be exactly the way they are now. Other children seem to come into the world much more malleable and not so pre-determined or strongly inclined. All very fascinating! | |
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| When my first baby was born, everyone said she looks just like you. When I looked at her I though ohh, she's so beautiful, she's so perfect, she's nothing like me. What are they talking about? And then one day I saw how she looked just like a picture of myself as a toddler, and I laughed and laughed. I guess I felt beautiful that day. | |
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| SCThornley - 2006-06-22 10:38 AM
ok so this "not this" exercise is has determined what spirit is not
what is spirit?
what is soul?
It is something when all the material perception is transcended. In the words of the saint, Shree Ramakrishna Paramhansa - a person went to see the depth of the see and on coming back, he/she can not describe it except: na iti na iti.
Peace
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| kulkarnn - 2006-06-22 3:03 PM
SCThornley - 2006-06-22 10:38 AM
ok so this "not this" exercise is has determined what spirit is not
what is spirit?
what is soul?
It is something when all the material perception is transcended. In the words of the saint, Shree Ramakrishna Paramhansa - a person went to see the depth of the see and on coming back, he/she can not describe it except: na iti na iti.
Peace
i'm smiling
thank you
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| SCThornley - 2006-06-22 3:16 PM
kulkarnn - 2006-06-22 3:03 PM
SCThornley - 2006-06-22 10:38 AM
ok so this "not this" exercise is has determined what spirit is not
what is spirit?
what is soul?
It is something when all the material perception is transcended. In the words of the saint, Shree Ramakrishna Paramhansa - a person went to see the depth of the see and on coming back, he/she can not describe it except: na iti na iti.
Peace
i'm smiling
thank you
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| I've been reading parts of this over and over, hoping something sinks in. One problem I had was assuming completely transending the physical plane meant death. Can someone completely trancend the physical, and still be attached to their live here? Even in near death experience, I don't believe the person completely crosses over to find out the full answer to the mystery. It's just my opinion, or maybe I'm attached to the idea that it has to be a mystery.
Also, when I was in high school, I was taught that when you assume, you make an ass out of u&me. I've found it to be mostly true. In my own situations anyway. | |
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| bstqltmkr - 2006-06-23 9:27 AM
I've been reading parts of this over and over, hoping something sinks in. One problem I had was assuming completely transending the physical plane meant death. Can someone completely trancend the physical, and still be attached to their live here? Even in near death experience, I don't believe the person completely crosses over to find out the full answer to the mystery. It's just my opinion, or maybe I'm attached to the idea that it has to be a mystery.
Also, when I was in high school, I was taught that when you assume, you make an ass out of u&me. I've found it to be mostly true. In my own situations anyway.
you can transcend the physical plane and not die, and this is the aim or goal or result of the practice of the science of yoga
yoga practice is more than stretching and and tumbling and breathing -=- but it appears that most are simply trying to learn how to control their bodies, and that is one arm of the yoga practice, but the mind control is what i've learned will put you in touch with the soul
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| This topic has been on my mind, and I find I'm thinking about this while I'm doing my work. This is all my opinion, so feel free to disagree.
SCT- you stated a goal of yoga, and I would say that the goal is personal. For some people it is physical, or at least starts out that way, and evolves. I suppose a group of practitioners could get together, and make a common goal, but they would have to agree to it.
For my own experience, yoga has strengthened my mind, my body, and my spirit. I also like to know about what other people believe, as a chance to learn, and expand my consciousness. I try to learn something that I can apply to my daily life, even if I don't buy a total package. My experience with meditation has expanded my consciousness, but I don't imagine I've transended the physical plane. I think everywhere I've been is all in my head, which I'm sure I could explore for a while and still not know as well as I would like. I have a hard time believing that someone's vision is a reality, such as a basis for a religion, and that others should follow. I respect other people's beliefs, but for myself, I'm a total skeptic. On the other hand, I don't believe in something just because it can be scientifically proven. I'm skeptical of them also. I'm not angry, just skeptical.
Why is it that after you write a word a few times, it starts to look weird, or mispelled? | |
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| Hey, I didn't mean to sound scolding, or whatever, just that if someone says this is that, my mind automatically tries to think of times when that isn't true. I'm skeptical, but will thoroughly consider any information. When I can uncover any nuggets of wisdom that I think I could incorporate into my daily life I appreciate it. I really do enjoy seeing things from different perspectives, and trying to learn new concept. It's not easy for me, but I think it's not supposed to be easy. | |
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| Perhaps if we add a discussion of Avidya to this thread...?
It is one of the Five Kleshas. I've been told that people of the board can and should "google" terms like this. That it's part of their learning. And while I'm not ready to jump on that train in full force, I am willing to give it a run and see.
In Pada II of the Sutras this is discussed - Kleshas, Yamas, and Niyamas.
Could our Sutra scholars chime in relative to this please? | |
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