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I think, capital I, that there is not enough education on diet in our society
i believe that folks think that they can 'common sense' the fitness of their body with exercise and that they can be flexible on the diet and achieve that "fit look"
over years i've learned that if i'm not strict with my diet i immediately pack on the pounds
a lot of folks may have a much higher metabolism than me and can allow themselves more freedom with their food, but from what i see when i'm at the grocery store or out in public and watching the news is that people are letting themselves eat whatever they feel like, and worshipping their taste buds' pleasures and are very, very fat.
i believe that as a society we are fat because of success at food production, but it seems that the feast is never ending and there are so many special occasions for feast that nothing is special anymore and noone wants to stop feasting
even going out to dinner doesn't seem special anymore, because it's done all the time
it seems that, for me, i've had to restrain my urge and deny myself a lot of 'food pleasures' to make myself even appreciate them any longer.
but after going through the exercise with so many different foods and drinks, even this exercise has led to the conclusion that:
we don't seem to eat for sustenance, we (in my opinion) seem to eat for pleasure.
this 'pleasure seeking through food' tends to leave me unfulfilled, like i shouldn't be satisfied with this, there has to be more to satisfaction, ya' know?
maybe that's why my yoga practice has continued to expand, so that i fill in these spaces that 'food pleasure' cannot satisfy.
of course, i understand that food is a touchy subject, it's practically cultural identy in itself
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| SCThornley - 2006-06-20 10:35 AM
well,
discussion open, feel free to hijack at any time
I think, capital I, that there is not enough education on diet in our society
i believe that folks think that they can 'common sense' the fitness of their body with exercise and that they can be flexible on the diet and achieve that "fit look"
over years i've learned that if i'm not strict with my diet i immediately pack on the pounds
a lot of folks may have a much higher metabolism than me and can allow themselves more freedom with their food, but from what i see when i'm at the grocery store or out in public and watching the news is that people are letting themselves eat whatever they feel like, and worshipping their taste buds' pleasures and are very, very fat.
i believe that as a society we are fat because of success at food production, but it seems that the feast is never ending and there are so many special occasions for feast that nothing is special anymore and noone wants to stop feasting
even going out to dinner doesn't seem special anymore, because it's done all the time
it seems that, for me, i've had to restrain my urge and deny myself a lot of 'food pleasures' to make myself even appreciate them any longer.
but after going through the exercise with so many different foods and drinks, even this exercise has led to the conclusion that:
we don't seem to eat for sustenance, we (in my opinion ) seem to eat for pleasure.
this 'pleasure seeking through food' tends to leave me unfulfilled, like i shouldn't be satisfied with this, there has to be more to satisfaction, ya' know?
maybe that's why my yoga practice has continued to expand, so that i fill in these spaces that 'food pleasure' cannot satisfy.
of course, i understand that food is a touchy subject, it's practically cultural identy in itself
Disagreed! The fact is that there is too much education on diet in our society. But, the education is giving what is NOT true or is giving distorted image of what and how of diet. That is why the diet knowledge in the people's mind today is screwed up. In the past when they had not much knowledge they were either enjoying the bliss of ignorance, but still following natural diet almost correctly. Now, we are intelligent about diet in a screwed up way, so we suffer from the pain of confusion and the diseases which come out of non natural diet. | |
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| kulkarnn - 2006-06-20 11:04 AM
Disagreed! The fact is that there is too much education on diet in our society. But, the education is giving what is NOT true or is giving distorted image of what and how of diet. That is why the diet knowledge in the people's mind today is screwed up. In the past when they had not much knowledge they were either enjoying the bliss of ignorance, but still following natural diet almost correctly. Now, we are intelligent about diet in a screwed up way, so we suffer from the pain of confusion and the diseases which come out of non natural diet.
but it isn't really education then is it,
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| I think Neel's correct. Way way to much of the programming on TV is propaganda for us to indulge ourselves in various foods. There are some commercials that feature people eating healthy food (the quaker oats commercials come to mind), but they're really few and far between.
My teacher likes to say that the food that we consume as a society has one defining characteristic. It's cheap. It's cheap to grow, cheap to produce, and cheap to store. It has NOTHING to do with the food's ability to provide our bodies with the nourishment they need.
Unfortunately, I really don't know what we SHOULD be eating instead. I do know that oatmeal is good for you, and basic food stuffs like vegatables, fruits and grains, but I'd be hard pressed to say more than that. | |
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| GreenJello - 2006-06-20 7:35 PM
Unfortunately, I really don't know what we SHOULD be eating instead. I do know that oatmeal is good for you, and basic food stuffs like vegatables, fruits and grains, but I'd be hard pressed to say more than that.
this is my point
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| Nutrition education is (dare I say it....yes I will) government propoganda. Most of the public are making food choices according to who has the catchiest advirtisement. I don't think the government or the food industry have our best interests in mind. Normal size is now considered skinny, and overweight is normal. | |
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| I think the average person DOES know what is healthy and what isn't. They just choose to ignore it. As GJ says - grains, fruit, veggies and depending on your choices, some dairy, meats and fish etc. Now, you can get a bit crazy looking at organic, what fish has mercury etc., but if you leave that out, you have the essentials of a healthy diet. | |
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| so,
anybody eat Potatoes?
i pretty much only eat them as fries, with Ketchup.
but i eat oatmeal with flaxseed and a bit of honey for breakfast
and for lunch i eat a whole grain porridge
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| Everything you could want from god to potatoes. I like potato lentil hash, but everything has to be cooked separately, and then put together, so it's more work and time. Ahhh, everything is suddenly deep and philosophical. | |
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| Steve, your diet sounds good, but boring. You should get some variety to avoid missing out on some essential stuff that nobody knows about yet. | |
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| i agree that few people are educated in nutrition.
but i do not think it is the responsibility of others--such as the government--to educate us. instead, education should be focused on developing functional literacy so that individuals can teach themselves what they want and need to know.
i have a diverse vegetarian diet. i go 'easy' on complex carbohydrates because i function better when i do. but, i eat as many complex carbohydrates as i want--which is the right amount for me.
i do not listen to nutritional sound bites or product advertisements that simply tell me something is healthy. i learn about sound nutrition, i learn about chemicals and the reactions of them in my body, and i decide whether or not i want to eat that.
so, i consume a whole foods diet low in processed foods. and that's simple enough. | |
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| ZB - your motto is a good one. A group I used to work with has as a guiding prinicple : Good nutrition means eating a well-balanced and varied diet of foods in as close to their natural state as possible. I have found that to be helpful over the years.
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| GreenJello - 2006-06-21 6:25 PM
Steve, your diet sounds good, but boring. You should get some variety to avoid missing out on some essential stuff that nobody knows about yet.
man can not live by bread alone
that's one reason i wonder just how important diet really is?
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| well, we need nutrients in order to survive and thrive, so i would say that 'diet' is pretty important. but if you mean "diet" in terms of "strict dieting" or 'self control' and related, then i do not think that 'dieting' is important at all. A healthy diet--meaning good nutrition--is important for health. but, dieting is not important for health and can, in fact, inhibit health. | |
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| zoebird - 2006-06-22 6:36 AM
well, we need nutrients in order to survive and thrive, so i would say that 'diet' is pretty important. but if you mean "diet" in terms of "strict dieting" or 'self control' and related, then i do not think that 'dieting' is important at all. A healthy diet--meaning good nutrition--is important for health. but, dieting is not important for health and can, in fact, inhibit health.
i concur with your point of view on healthy
but for nutrient satisfaction we need very little, and tend to eat for variety and enjoyment.
we can nearly completely satisfy our nutrient needs with whole wheat porridge.
but that's boring, and not very tasty.
so, the enjoyment that we get out of food and feel satisfaction for, it appears that it is especially easy to grow attached to these enjoyments | |
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| actually, we cannot really meet most of our nutritional needs with whole wheat porridge. we need a variety of nutrients from a variety of sources--in general. And then, there are specific nutrient needs based on all sorts of other factors which are largely determined person-by-person. some need more protien than others, some more complex carbohydrates. some need vit A in it's straight form, others convert from beta carotene easily enough. it really 'all depends.' | |
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| It is only important if you want to feel no pain in your body and have a clear mind.....otherwise it is not important at all! Fruits and Vegetables, grains, legumes, rice, nuts.....is really all that is needed...all else is Marketing and Brain Wash that are so readily taken in by the masses...just look around you and you can see what we are doing is not working. Healthy people stick out like the abnormal but we want some else to tell us what to do with our temples rather than explore what works for us as an individual entitiy with the knowledge inside of ourselves to tell us exactly what is right for us. I do take that responsiblility and I am extremely healthy and what works for me may not work for anyone else on the planet. I need no one to tell me what to do when I have it all inside my head/heart or wherever all that wonderful guidence comes from.....and I am old but never bought in to all that "body wears out when your old stuff" anymore than I must. Wrinkles I accept with honor....pain never. | |
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| zoebird - 2006-06-22 9:22 AM
actually, we cannot really meet most of our nutritional needs with whole wheat porridge. we need a variety of nutrients from a variety of sources--in general. And then, there are specific nutrient needs based on all sorts of other factors which are largely determined person-by-person. some need more protien than others, some more complex carbohydrates. some need vit A in it's straight form, others convert from beta carotene easily enough. it really 'all depends.'
yes it can get complicated, but my point is that it doesn't have to be.
it can be as simple as a whole wheat porridge.
simplifying diet to its basic need for the organism tends to be the most effective procedure for longevity in lab controlled tests
flavor is not really a basic need
nutrient is
b-vitamins have the largest amount of scientifically supported evidence as being necessary for health
so, if we go beyond satisfying our need, is that considered a form of gluttony? in some, nay i say most, cases it is and results in obesity. | |
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| Wrinkles I can accept, but do you know why everyone keeps saying- oh, you're letting your hair go gray. I don't remember it asking me if it could, so how could I let it?
As long as the U.S. gov't supports the cattle industry, there will be no real change over here, unless someone invents quick and easy nutrition in a box. Wait, there's instant hummus, just add water. Maybe the public needs a good nutrition pill. Which reminds me, a health food store opened not far from me, and I went to see what it was about. I didn't get past looking in the window though, because I looked in and saw shelves lined with bottles and jars! | |
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| flax seed is something i discovered at the health food store in my neighborhood
i love checking out the bins and the fridge at the health food stores to see what is raw
there are so many grains and seeds
anybody tried Quinoa? it's not bad, but i'm not into flavor like i used to be. better to say it is full of nutritive value.
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| your point is misinterpreting information from various studies.
truth is, good nutrition comes from food variety. you can break it down to the essential macro and micronutrients, but no single food (like porridge) is a 'complete food' nutritionally speaking. it is the combinations of foods in the appropriate amounts that leads to health and longevity.
longevity studies focus on caloric intake. Animals tested in these types of studies are given a pellet that meets their nutritional needs in amounts that test the basic caloric requirements for longevity. The pellet food given is generally made from a variety of sources. my October J's lab-rabbit feed is made up of 12 different types of grasses just for 'starters.' This is to meet the nutrient needs of the rabbit because no one food is the only food he needs. Even he needs the nutrient diversity found from diverse diets. his pellet feed is 'supplemental' the majority of his diet are fresh fruits and vegetables, weeds and herbs, and timothy hay. For rabbit health, diversity is important.
as testimonial evidence and because i like to share, October J 'suffered' from eye problems last year around this time. He had cloudy eyes and was having trouble jumping down off of things. For a 9 yr old rabbit (average age for indoor rabbit is 6-8 yrs), the docs said that this was 'par for the course' and we should start preparing for his death. I decided that this was silly. He could live as long as he wanted, and some house rabbits live to be 18 yrs old (rare, but it does happen). I went home and did some research about eye care in general, did some hands-on healing, and then changed his nutrition. I increased berries (blueberries and goji berries because they're highest in antioxidants), herbs (red clover, dandilion leaves, etc), and fresh salad greens. Within two weeks, his eyes had cleared, he was more mobile and jumped off of things on his own (sofa, etc), and had lost weight because he'd become more active. we took him back for a followup and the doctors asked "what did you do?" oh, well, we added more anti-oxidant rich foods to his diet, and it cleared right up! So, diversity and amounts were important for October J's health.
as to the issue of taste, i would say that it can be argued that taste is not as important as nutrition. nutrition is more important by far. But, food diversity satisfies both taste and nutrition. | |
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| good conclusive analysis, ZB
i applaud you
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| P.S. I did want to say I have a medical background--I have discarded most of my nutritional knowledge for my inner guidence. I do agree we give up stimulated taste buds for optimal health....when I do discover something totally nutritious and delightfully tasting also I am happy...and that is more often than the bland. I never bought in to dying hair and now it is pure white and I love it. I have not cut it in years (maybe 10) so it is great to walk on the beach and let it blow.......even wear a bikini....the rewards of a healthy body. Life is so good if we allow ourselves the freedom to just "BE" | |
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| Do keep in mind that "studies" are paid for by the big Corp. Food Companies. I had a good friend quit the Food and Drug Company because they would have a certain outcome they wanted and staff MUST get it anyway they could muster it up. We are dealing with Marketing.....same with Vitamins etc. As I said before, look around, it is not working. We have been brainwashed as consumers and until we at least consider that.......we are sheep being led to slaughter. I dislike even giving that part of life any energy so I say no more except until we start tuning into our bodies prayfully or meditatively and get more serious than anyone around that I come in contact with we are getting exactly what we are asking for. I hope it is worth it. If someone is complaining about their health and eating whatever is tasteful to their palate-----I do not care to listen.....they have created in ignorance or lack of care exactly what they intended. | |
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| i just made quinoa. funny that you mention it. Ryan and I are leaving for our trip tonite, so i'm making food for the hotel tonite, for tomorrow's long day.
For ryan, i roasted organic, free range, pasture raised chicken in cuban mojito sauce. For myself, i hard-boiled 6 eggs.
I also made cuban quinoa-black beans. I would have used brown rice, but we were out. I love the way that quinoa tastes. I used veggie broth to boil the quinoa. When it was done, i added coconut water while it was still hot. While the quinoa was cooking, i took my sprouted back beans and boiled lightly in salted water. ii carmelized onions and green peppers (i also left some chopped and fresh). I added lime juice, fresh chilis (sliced along the sides to let the heat out; to be removed later), whole garlic cloves, lime leaves and bay leaf to the bean water. when the beans were done, i pulled out the spice bag (garlic, bay leaves, lime leaves, chilis) and drained the beans. I then put the beans in the pan with fresh minced garlic and the carmelized onions/peppers. I let them simmer together with a little bit of the boiling water to get the flavors to blend. I also lightly sauteed some mushrooms in coconut oil. I mixed these three together for a quinoa salad and then sprinkled the fresh peppers and onions over it.
i also chopped up some celery, carrots, fresh broccoli, fresh cauliflower, and made a nice yogurt dip for them.
we're packing apples for the trip as well.
And i have thai chili-lime peanuts from trader joes as well as raw pistachios and a cranberry trail mix for the trip as well.
I also have my 'herbal first aid kit' which has Airborne in it, my tummy tea, dark chocolate and a couple of other goodies for the flight for aroma therapy, sleep aid, and related.
I decided to go with "smart water" which is electrolyte balanced for the trip as well as getting artisian water for mineral content.
All good wholesome food which should keep our immune systems up, keep our digestive tracks working (i need a lot of roughage when i fly or i get backed up!), and keep us comfortably fed while on the plane.
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| not all 'studies' are made by big food corp organizations or groups. many nutritional studies are--and it's easy to determine when they are and what they're paying for. But, there are a number of studies on foods in general, nutritional analysis, analysis and scientific study of traditional diets and their effect on health.
most of the information from which i glean the majority of my understanding and education about nutrition comes from independent studies from all over the world--ones that are not funded by big business or used to push forth a particular agenda. It's relatively easy to know how to read studies, and how to be a critical reader in regards to these studies.
that's an aspect of functional literacy afterall. | |
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| Nice if you choose to spend the money to eat so wonderfully. I think people who choose living with less money can be just as healthy with beans and rice. While you prepare your food I will be walking on the beach with a banana and a glass of juice............but you did make my mouth water and it sounds wonderful. | |
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| functional literacy........I will have to see where that fits into the scheme on Unity.....I guess I will have to meditate on that one........it feels like a judgement. | |
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| i throw all sorts of grains into my wheat porridge
it's cheap and easy to make
but it doesn't really burst forth with flavor-pleasure-satisfaction
but i'm trying my best to release my attachments to flavor satisfaction | |
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| Zoebird, you must be the ultimate travel companion, that sounded wonderful. Do you eat eggs? I didn't for a long time, but was feeling I needed more protien, and started adding an egg here and there. I'm not sure how I feel about it, but I was having a problem with my hamstring and think it helped. | |
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| judamom - 2006-06-22 10:55 AM
functional literacy........I will have to see where that fits into the scheme on Unity.....I guess I will have to meditate on that one........it feels like a judgement.
identifying a level of skill is not passing judgement on an individual. just because a person isn't functionally literate (and many people aren't) doesn't mean that they're "bad people." it simply means that they're poorly educated. There's nothing "wrong" with being poorly educated. People who are not functionally literate have no less diginty and value than people who are functionally literate. therefore, identifying the problem of 'functional illiteracy' as an issue for education reform and so that individuals can be more educated and empowered is not passing judgement on individuals who are not functionally literate.
Functional literacy is defined as the ability to read a non-fiction work of a certain length with critical comprehension of the ideas within and the ability to understand the structure of the argument.
Being functionally literate is incredibly helpful in being a critical reader, communicator, and consumer. It is important to understand the mechanisms of language, to be a careful reader, to be able to see through certain mechanisms of language and rhetorical structure that are meant to persuade from a false inference or from an inference that is not as appropriate (perhaps comes from an assumption which is less reasonable) or from a false assumption. Many people who are educated in the US do not have these basic reading skills.
I often know that this is the case because people cannot see through some of the most glaringly obvious elements of articles that would indicate their rhetorical strategies and how they fail to function logically. For example, many people will read an article published by "the beef council" regarding the nutritional information related to beef. But they will not question the origin of this article and their profit-making venture. Their inability to do this often demonstrates a lack of critical ability--not faculty, but rather that they were not educated to think about it that way. these individuals certainly have the *intellegence* to understand these arguments and think critically about them, they simply do not have the *skills* to do so.
Not having a specific skill doesnt' mean that a person is 'less valuable' or 'bad.' It simply means they don't have the skill. I don't have the skill to place world-cup class soccer. I'm not a 'bad person" i'm just a "bad soccer player"--but it doesn't mean that i am a less valuable person than Mia Hamm--we just have different levels of skill. and she also has a level of talent for it too. some people have literacy talent that other's don't admittedly. one of my former profs in cultural studies is much mroe talented at parcing out and breaking down arguments than i am--but i'm no less skilled than he is, and certainly no less valuable as a human being, just less talented. | |
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| you were both saying the same thing
limiting caloric intake while maximizing nutritive value has been proved in laboratory settings as being the optimum recipe for longevity
in rats
some folks have proved this in humans | |
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| I am sorry, I could not make it through all that.....all I know is I am extremely healthy and I am heading off on a wonderful vacation (family reunion) and driving by myself so I will have the opportunity to ponder life and how well it treats me. Namaste to all for some weeks | |
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| judamom - 2006-06-22 11:19 AM
I am sorry, I could not make it through all that.....all I know is I am extremely healthy and I am heading off on a wonderful vacation (family reunion) and driving by myself so I will have the opportunity to ponder life and how well it treats me. Namaste to all for some weeks
lotsa words can lose the intention quite quickly
PEACE on your voyage/travels | |
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| judamom:
in regards to time used to prepare food, i find it important to point out that i enjoy preparing food as another might enjoy watching TV or walking on the beach. I also do take the opportunity to walk on beaches and eat bananas. but i cannot live on bananas alone.
similarly, to the issue of the cost of the food, my husband and i are not wealthy people. I teach yoga (pretty much part time) and my husband works as a technical writer/editor. We are not wealthy, but we are consciencious spenders. Our food is not terribly expensive, but it is more expensive than many of our friends spend on their food. Many of my friends prefer processed foods and the ability to pay for cable and high speed internet. I do not judge them for the way that they spend their money--it is their choice of course. My husband and i cut a lot of 'corners' in order to afford high-quality food that sustains our health and vitality.
I also work with a local co-op that takes organic, free range produce, dairy products, and meats into inner-city communities so that those with less income than we have can afford high quality food. food distribution in cities is horrible and food stamps and related generally only cover processed foods. Through this coop, we've been able to provide food for many people, and our coop can now accept food stamps!
While i agree that people can do well on simple 'beans and rice' nutritionally, it is also important to point out that this will only last for so long. beans and rice do not provide enough vitamin C, for example, to prevent scruvy. Salad greens--even picking weeds such as red clover and dandelion, poke and chickweed--are essential for some nutrients (be wary of picking weeds near roads, though, they'll have a higher lead content due to emmissions). Beans and rice also don't provide enough vitamin B12, which is important for neurological health. While people can manage for a number of years on b12 stores (assuming those stores are large enough to begin with), without a diverse diet that includes a source of b12 (either supplemental with cyanocobalamin or mythlcobalamin--or through natural cobalamin found in meat, eggs, and dairy products), they will have neurological damange. Food diversity is really important for long term health. | |
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| i guess i should also point out that i wasn't talking about anyone's diet or processes specificly.
i don't care what anyone else eats. I don't care how anyone else determines what to eat.
rather, the OP was about dietary education. I think the solution to the problem of misinformation disseminated in regards to diet is functional literacy.
i think that all of the information that i've read and my own process and experience (intuitive, etc) ddemonstrates that a diverse diet based in whole foods at the appropriate caloric intake will lead to lasting health and longevity.
it's no judgement on anyone else. if you 'feel' judged, then look to how you may be judging yourself and then casting that onto others. | |
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| have you considered adding herbs and related? i make a mean porridge that people eat for dessert:
boil your wheat, various other grains (kamut, aramanth, farro, millet and quinoa) with walnuts and almonds, dried cherries, cranberries, or whatever other dried fruit you want (i recently made it with dried cranberries, golden raisins, and dried apricots). While the water was boiling off, i made a milk reduction for it. I started by placing vanilla beans in the milk and adding some black-strap molasses (rich in nutrients). stirring and not letting it come to a boil, i take the VB out once the milk has a slightly vanilla taste. I then add cinnamon, nutmeg--basicly pie spices--and add a bit of yogurt or whole cream. Everything reduces down a bit, and then i put it over the porridge.
seriously, people use this as dessert and one of my friends uses it as the 'stuffing' at thanksgiving. It's nutritionally diverse, very flavorful.  so, you get both taste and nutrition! | |
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| I like adding dried and fresh fruit to my morning porridge, but I can see where Steve is going with this idea of reducing dependency, or maybe attachment to is a better phrase, on the sensations involved with taste. It is a bit like your media fasts, ZB. And remember, he eats with his family for supper so there is a whole other spectrum of foods and tastes there.
I was just reading Tony Bourdain's latest book (celebrity chef, for those not "foodie"  ) and it is interesting that most chefs from typical western, meat and sauce based restaurants really go for simple food and clean, clear flavours like sushi in their off hours. | |
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| I love eggs! I'm almost completely incapable of cooking for myself, but I'm learning to make all sorts of things with eggs.... Just no other way to get eggs into my diet. | |
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| I consider making salad dressing cooking, and that's my token effort, I am a terrible cook, and so mostly eat rice and vegetables and fruit that's easy to peel
I know it's really important to eat well, because in my running days I had to really take protein and carbs in a lot, through energy drinkd, glucose suplements, energy bars, that horrible gel you squeeze into your mouth during a race,...
Now I try and eat ok and healthy, but seeing I don't cook it gets a bit bland.
I don't eat bread and limit dairy, they both make me bloat, I also avoid sugar, unless i'm really craving cake
Oh and no caffeine
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | GreenJello - 2006-06-22 10:13 PM
I love eggs! I'm almost completely incapable of cooking for myself, but I'm learning to make all sorts of things with eggs.... Just no other way to get eggs into my diet.
Hey GJ,
Ever tried "Deviled Eggs" - Southern Style???? Boil the eggs for 15 minutes, a steady rolling boil. Add some sea salt to the water before you place the eggs in and add eggs and water at the same time, before it boils. Then cut the eggs in a perfect half, take out yolks and place in a separate bowl. Line the egg whites on a plate. Mix some Mayonnaise, sweet cubed salad pickles (or relish will do too), salt and pepper together with the yolks. Mix really well. Then add the yolk mixture back to the eggs to make it look like you added the missing yolks back in. Then sprinkle with paprika to make it look pretty...not a lot, a tiny amount goes a loooong way.
There you go. These are great for appetizers for a party. I usuallly have to hide these from my kids, they would have all but 2 or 3 left when we would have company over. They're easy to snatch from the frig without Mom seeing them, | |
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| Eggs aren't my favorite, so I whip them into my soup, and try to ignore them. I have a terrible craving for bagels in the morning. I only eat a half (of course they're so big these days), and I switched to 12 grain, with flaxseed, but I can't help but crave bread in the morning. | |
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| BQ - great - now I am craving my Tuesday morning bagel!  Most of the year I teacher a 7 am class on Tuesdays and go for coffee and a bagel before work. The guy at the coffee shop teases me because I don't eat any of his homemade baking but I just love that bagel with a big schmear of cream cheese. I may have to stop in today on my way to work now  | |
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| I love Deviled Eggs! That reminds me of summer BBQs! I may just have to make up a batch today! 
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| namaste2 - 2006-06-25 11:37 AM
I love Deviled Eggs! That reminds me of summer BBQs! I may just have to make up a batch today!
Ditto! Deviled eggs sound wonderful Cyndi! I might just have to learn to make them. | |
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| SCThornley- why are you trying to be so monastic with your diet? you could take your porridge and love it! Not just accept it. I think part of being healthy is enjoying and appreciating what we have been blessed with on this Earth. Now, I'm not saying to chop up slim jims and add cheese whiz to your porridge....talk about PROCESSED!! BUT, why not add fresh chopped herbs? stir in a little curried yogurt (I don't know if you eat dairy)? All of these things can be organic and natural and still leave you with a little smile on your face. You remind me of my brother and his way of thinking.
Healthy food= bland. Bad-for-you-food= bursting with flavor. I don't believe it has to be this way.
I have a somewhat peculiar situation. I have a food addiction problem that I have addressed in several ways and I am well into my recovery program.. BUT, I do see a nutritionist and she tells me how much to eat, what to eat, and when. For example- for breakfast, I have 1 fruit, 1 starch, 3 proteins, and 3 dairy. What I put into each category is my choice- but I weigh it all out.
Because for so long I had forgotten what hunger felt like. I had all that propoganda in my head- low carb, low fat, high carb, high protein--- I didn't know what to eat & my body was riddled with pain and discomfort. Now that I am eating a balanced diet throughout the day, my body is finding it's natural weight, I feel hunger again, and my pain and discomfort is gone. I no longer have headaches, stomach aches, and I haven't been sick since Jan 2005!!!! So if the question on this thread is how important is diet?? For me, it's very important, crucial. I was slowly committing suicide with my old ways of eating.
Do I think that people are over or undereducated? Yes to both. Do I feel that my (American) society feeds into people's confusion? Yes. Do I feel that when people hear that the average woman is a size 14, they are secretly happy? Yes. Do they qualify overweight as now normal? Yes. Is overweight accepted? Not at all. I was more invisible to society at 252lbs than I am now at 180. The bigger we are, the smaller we feel inside.
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| joscmt - 2006-07-28 11:14 AM
SCThornley- why are you trying to be so monastic with your diet? you could take your porridge and love it! Not just accept it. I think part of being healthy is enjoying and appreciating what we have been blessed with on this Earth. Now, I'm not saying to chop up slim jims and add cheese whiz to your porridge....talk about PROCESSED!! BUT, why not add fresh chopped herbs? stir in a little curried yogurt (I don't know if you eat dairy )? All of these things can be organic and natural and still leave you with a little smile on your face. You remind me of my brother and his way of thinking.
Healthy food= bland. Bad-for-you-food= bursting with flavor. I don't believe it has to be this way.
I have a somewhat peculiar situation. I have a food addiction problem that I have addressed in several ways and I am well into my recovery program.. BUT, I do see a nutritionist and she tells me how much to eat, what to eat, and when. For example- for breakfast, I have 1 fruit, 1 starch, 3 proteins, and 3 dairy. What I put into each category is my choice- but I weigh it all out.
Because for so long I had forgotten what hunger felt like. I had all that propoganda in my head- low carb, low fat, high carb, high protein--- I didn't know what to eat & my body was riddled with pain and discomfort. Now that I am eating a balanced diet throughout the day, my body is finding it's natural weight, I feel hunger again, and my pain and discomfort is gone. I no longer have headaches, stomach aches, and I haven't been sick since Jan 2005!!!! So if the question on this thread is how important is diet?? For me, it's very important, crucial. I was slowly committing suicide with my old ways of eating.
Do I think that people are over or undereducated? Yes to both. Do I feel that my (American ) society feeds into people's confusion? Yes. Do I feel that when people hear that the average woman is a size 14, they are secretly happy? Yes. Do they qualify overweight as now normal? Yes. Is overweight accepted? Not at all. I was more invisible to society at 252lbs than I am now at 180. The bigger we are, the smaller we feel inside.
Again, another long rant by me......
I just don't get the same excitement from flavor as I once did and my diet choices have become more for maintenance of my body instead of enjoyment through my senses.
I just don't enjoy it like I used to, that's all.
I still can taste the wonderful flavors of a lovingly created meal, and I appreciate the love, I just don't get the same appreciation of the characteristics of the food.
I'm no monk.
I'm not monastic. I'm a householder with a wife and four kids and if I don't watch out it'll be five in the next year.
I still appreciate the 'flavor' of some things.
My diet is bland and very cheap. That's OK. I don't really need much for the food.
Heck, if I have a burrito with a little salsa, THAT's A PARTY in my MOUTH!!!!
But, I know that very quickly the senses subside and the feelings of euphoria that the food help provide leave and these temporary sensations are less and less intriguing for my psyche as time goes on.
Edited by SCThornley 2006-07-28 11:29 AM
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| jo - SCT's system seems to work for him, and although I love my morning porridge, my chef-in-training daughter is here right now and there is sooooo much yummy (and healthy) food in the fridge, I am taking a holiday from the routine and branching out for a few days. But there is something stabilizing and grounding about having some part of my diet that is usually unchanging - something that I don't have to put any effort into thinking about - so I get where SCT is coming from. And of course, he has wonderful (I assume: wink: ) dinners of more typical food with his delightful family. | |
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| tourist - 2006-07-28 11:29 AM
jo - SCT's system seems to work for him, and although I love my morning porridge, my chef-in-training daughter is here right now and there is sooooo much yummy (and healthy) food in the fridge, I am taking a holiday from the routine and branching out for a few days. But there is something stabilizing and grounding about having some part of my diet that is usually unchanging - something that I don't have to put any effort into thinking about - so I get where SCT is coming from. And of course, he has wonderful (I assume: wink: ) dinners of more typical food with his delightful family.
You got that right.
If I don't eat what the Mrs. prepares with the loving affection of a wife and mother then I feel the wrath of my wife.
She's quite a cook. But she refuses to consider my Point of View when it comes to food, because she really enjoys food, and has not considered food and her relationship to food like I have, and she get irritated with me if I try to talk about this stuff so I don't talk about it with her anymore, the hassle isn't worth it, and I've planted the seed, if it's gonna grow it will if not so what, I still love her and I respect her right to think and choose for herself, which contrast my choices tremendously.
Edited by SCThornley 2006-07-28 11:34 AM
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| SCT- I guess I got confused when you said that you were trying to release your attachment to flavor- that's where I was getting all that sacrifice stuff from. When I work on attachment issues, I'm working on some of my spiritual stuff...
Hey, I completely respect what you do and I have to say that with 4 little ones I'm surprised you get food into you at all! I eat the same breakfast every morning so I don't have to think about it. My husband and I own a restaurant, so I understand how it happens that you don't have the time and the energy to cook super exciting things. I think it was just your phrasing that made it sound like a spiritual move to eat bland food. And that would be cool too.... I was just asking. Anything anyone does to be healthy is alright by me! I used to cook exciting and wild things for us until our restaurant opened- now it's "honey, here's our roasted chicken and spinach salad" Nothing crazy wild or exciting-- not that it isn't fun to blow it out once and awhile | |
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| jo - Nigella Lawson says that for most of us breakfast is ritualistic. I like that better than boring and in a rut | |
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| yea.... ritualistic..... I can dig it..... especially when I'm all bleary eyed in the morning... I feel like a robot... me no coffee. me eat breakfast. Mmmm, breakfast.
Ok, maybe that was more caveman than robot...
here's my robot...
bleep, bloop, bleep, breakfast, bloop bleep..
Yeah, I'm crazy and it's late.. I've been working wayyyyy too long tody!
I'm just gonna leave now... | |
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | Don't forget about the five flavors.......bitter, salty, sweet, sour, and pungent. In addition, there is another classification called "tasteless" flavor, which is similar to sweet flavor. There is a famous quote from a Chinese Herbalist, "Tasteless flavor is associated with sweet flavor'. Tasteless flavor help dampness seep and promote urination. YES, I obtained this information from one of my TCM books if anyone is critic-ing me,
BTW, Yodha had "Doggie" Ice cream the other day when we were in HOT Georgia. He loved it. I had bought some frozen icicle pops - banana and the rocket launchers (red, white and blue), which are my favorites. Yodha liked the banana ones....until my Father came home and said, "we have doggie ice cream"...I was like, "yea, right".
Edited by Cyndi 2006-07-30 12:31 PM
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| Cyndi - 2006-07-30 12:27 PM
Don't forget about the five flavors.......bitter, salty, sweet, sour, and pungent. In addition, there is another classification called "tasteless" flavor, which is similar to sweet flavor. There is a famous quote from a Chinese Herbalist, "Tasteless flavor is associated with sweet flavor'. Tasteless flavor help dampness seep and promote urination. YES, I obtained this information from one of my TCM books if anyone is critic-ing me,
BTW, Yodha had "Doggie" Ice cream the other day when we were in HOT Georgia. He loved it. I had bought some frozen icicle pops - banana and the rocket launchers (red, white and blue ), which are my favorites. Yodha liked the banana ones....until my Father came home and said, "we have doggie ice cream"...I was like, "yea, right".
"we have doggie ice cream"...I was like, "yea, right".
Man, that dog is livin' the life.
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| Re-engaging thread drift...
In a way, changing my diet and going through both a transformational process and an educational process about nutrition and food led me to my yoga practice. The old saying "we are what we eat" is, I believe, essentially true and most Americans eat a lot of crap that doesn't support and sustain their minds and/or bodies. So for me, proper food and nutrition is the building block which provides the necessary fuel to support everything else I do including my asana practice. To separate what we eat from how we function on a day-to-day basis is unimaginable in my current world view. So yeah, pretty dang important to me!
And back to OP, there is clearly not enough education on diet and nutrition in our society. But I now go off on my kids at dinner all the time on nutritional theory and facts and occasionally give 'em a "pop quiz" question here and there just to see if any of it sticks! ;) | |
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how important is diet?