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| I don't see any written instruction on this, understandable perhaps because it is a bit personal/intimate - but us there oral teaching. The issue is that in some of the asanas my testicles and penis simply seem to get in the way, and I have to move them to a comfortable position - which is a bit obvious sometimes. Moreover, especially in, say, side twists do you allow your genitalia to sit squeezed above your thighs (which I feel risks rupturing a testicle, or over stretching the scrotum: Or do you allow them to be beneath the thighs stretching the penile ligaments but again stretching the scrotum/and perhaps is there a risk of an inguinal hernia).
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a lot of my friends often ask me if i've achieved adequate flexibility to umm...fellate myself...i think this is the ultimate meterstick of yoga achievment.
not yet, though...not yet
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you can really crunch one of your balls in eagle pose if you're not careful, especially if you're wearing loose pants...
Well, I wear tight shorts when I practice yoga and sometimes I have to say, that for a girl, in this posture, I have to do a squiggle every now and again so I don't pinch those delicate areas down there while I'm all twisted up like a bird,  |
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| Monitors, do we really need to read about some guy fellating himself? In fact, I hope you cancel my post as well as Andrew Marks'.
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| dhanurasana - 2005-12-16 7:15 PM
a lot of my friends often ask me if i've achieved adequate flexibility to umm...fellate myself...i think this is the ultimate meterstick of yoga achievment.
not yet, though...not yet
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| *Fifi* - 2005-12-16 7:54 PM
Monitors, do we really need to read about some guy fellating himself? In fact, I hope you cancel my post as well as Andrew Marks'.
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| come on, fifi, i'm just fooling around...
and yes, GJ, a lot of my friends really do ask me that question...
i wore basketball shorts when i first started practicing, but moved to compression shorts shortly thereafter. it took a little getting used to, but i can't imagine wearing anything else, or at least that heinous bagginess...
you can't spell enlightenment without "lighten"
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| so bruce, just as a heads up to your fellow tripods...
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| Bruce - 2005-12-16 8:38 PM
We had similar discussion in the past and I've totally surrendered really working hard on prone asanas where it's going to hurt--it just isn't worth it to me to mash things. Took me 2 years to figure that out...duh!
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| 1stly, all my non yoga firends (guys ofcourse) always ask if i can do "the deed" with myself yet!! as if it were what i were practicing for.. so it is fair game for discussion and btw, i wouldnt.
i have a major problem with bow, well i really dont care what others think but i always push "them" back/down so i avoid squishing - though i notice noone else seems to do the same. but its pretty obvious cause i kinda lift the hips and reach down to push ...
another one is standing crossing legs and forward bend.. most of the time they seem to be in the right place where its no big deal but sometimes its painful.
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| I am really grateful for the honesty you guys have all shown. Likewise the bow and the eagle are 'problems' fopr us men. I am just suprised that the wisdom of the yogis has not provided some instruction on this. It seems to me that the position of the genitals can change/effect the benefits. forward the testes are squeezed - which stretches the scrotum. What are the benefits of this?? Genitals pushed behind squeezes the ligaments and again stretches the scrotum.
My feeling is that the Yogis would say behind because the sexual benefit (albeit to be dealt with) is greater. I am just astounded that 9perhaps because of embarrassment) there is not more teaching or instruction on this imprtant area  |
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| You've got my curiosity going now Neel.... share?
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| *Fifi* - 2005-12-25 10:52 PM
Is this thread frozen?
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| It looks like this one was temporarily frozen before the other thread was deeply edited. Just to be clear, I had nothing to do with this. It appears that there are areas where we have to be a bit more discreet and practice more "purity of speech" as Patanjali suggests. We may feel that we "own" this board but we are guests here after all and in a way we are presenting the owners of yoga.com to the world at large. I suggest sticking to the double entendre rather than the blatant or obvious, which is not only closer to PG than X rated but requires more creativity and vocabulary, consequently challenging one's intellect in a postive way  |
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Yeah, it was locked, now it isn't, and so I can ask Brother Neel: what is the
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| tourist - 2005-12-26 9:34 AM
I suggest sticking to the double entendre rather than the blatant or obvious, which is not only closer to PG than X rated but requires more creativity and vocabulary, consequently challenging one's intellect in a postive way
yes yes, double entendre...
i suppose i could have said, "full karnapidasana"
thank you for helping me to see many points of view.
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Sigh... I want a serious answer. I hate it when my shorts are too tight
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| BBB and BG: Well the garment I suggested works for all sizes of anything (!!!). If you want it, just send me 10 dollars a piece and 2 dollars for postage within USA, and I shall send you. I have only 3 at this time, but if you send money right away, I can get you as many as you want by end of March.
You can also wear the garment instead of your underwear below the trousers all the time.
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| sports - 2005-12-16 2:50 PM
I don't see any written instruction on this, understandable perhaps because it is a bit personal/intimate - but us there oral teaching. The issue is that in some of the asanas my testicles and penis simply seem to get in the way, and I have to move them to a comfortable position - which is a bit obvious sometimes. Moreover, especially in, say, side twists do you allow your genitalia to sit squeezed above your thighs (which I feel risks rupturing a testicle, or over stretching the scrotum: Or do you allow them to be beneath the thighs stretching the penile ligaments but again stretching the scrotum/and perhaps is there a risk of an inguinal hernia ).
Would be pleased to hear if there is a teaching on what is best, or what your recommended practice is.
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Location: A Blue State | Miabella704 - 2006-01-04 10:47 PM
I cannot believe NO ONE has commented on what I suggested. It WAS a joke.......haha?
Okay, here's a comment: ICK!
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| I was going to raise the same question, but having read through the thread there seems to be no firm advice. So leaving aside all the jokes and innuendo there seem to be two issues.
1) avoiding pain
2) embarrassment from adjusting the "wedding tackle" to deal with 1)
Should we just think to ourselves "I am not my body but I'm still going to look after it" ? And if someone looks at us - that's their problem as they should be concentrating on what they are doing?
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I think you are right, but Hoffman was imitating something that we had all
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I think sometimes they get stuck, and one of their friends has to help them using a tennis raquet or cricket bat !
Nick
I am going to guess you are a pom because you suggested a tennis raquet or cricket bat....now EVERYONE knows that sumo is steeped in SHINTO tradition. They would never use a "foreign"(to Nippon) object, however, they may get one of the lower ranked rikishi to do it for them |
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Good thread, never thought of those problems.
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Nick - 2006-02-09 3:28 PM
I think sometimes they get stuck, and one of their friends has to help them using a tennis raquet or cricket bat !
Nick
I am going to guess you are a pom because you suggested a tennis raquet or cricket bat....now EVERYONE knows that sumo is steeped in SHINTO tradition. They would never use a "foreign" (to Nippon ) object, however, they may get one of the lower ranked rikishi to do it for them
You hit the nail on the head! Sorry for getting the implements regionally incorrect. Probably some kind of huge wooden mallet would be more authentic
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I know of martial arts practitioners who can suck their balls in to protect them
Well THAT's not good. Front Kick to the Groin is the only move I'm good at! |
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| Please excuse my female intrusion on the male board... 
With reading this thread (very humourous at times BTW), I got to thinking that there is a very low male attendance to yoga where I am. I am wondering if it is mostly because with mostly female instructors A) we don't know about these issues guys have and B) we don't know how to help you!
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With reading this thread (very humourous at times BTW), I got to thinking that there is a very low male attendance to yoga where I am. I am wondering if it is mostly because with mostly female instructors A) we don't know about these issues guys have and B) we don't know how to help you!
If this was the case the beginner classes would start out 50/50 or so, and slowly drop off. The truth is that most men won't give yoga a chance to begin with. It's generally viewed as weak and effeminent. Frankly, a lot of it IS watered down, but I'm lucky enough to have an Ashtanga studio where they don't do these sorts of things.
When I've told my friends what I do, I either get an uncomfortable silence, or questions about whether I'm going there to pick up woman.
I've also mentioned that a couple of the female teachers have inadventently made me feel a little odd for being in class, but that was something with their personalities. About the only thing I would recommend is to not single out the guys to much, I think a lot of us already feel pretty self-concious taking a class where 90% of the students are female. I've always been a bit wierd, so it doesn't bother me as much, but if you get one of these "real" men in classes, it will probably send them running to the hills.
There's also an interesting thread somewhere called "Iron John Yoga", which deals with some of the issues men have with conventional yoga studios/classes.
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I teach astanga yoga-the strength reqired to perform the movements may make this type of yoga seem more male-orientated than other forms of yoga, and I try to show women some techniques which can make the movements easier to perform-the good thing about teaching this way that it can make the movements easier for men as well.
We discussed the difficulties of postures like the peacock, where having breasts can make the posture painful or impossible-as discussed already, I often teach Hamsasana, with the elbows on the brim of the pelvis (the pelvis is usually comparitively wider in females). I also try to mention that some practices may induce miscarriage-women with a history of miscarriage are told to sneeze with their mouths open, so that the intra-abdominal pressure is not raised as high-from this we can deduce that yoga postures which put a lot of pressure on the abdomen are probably best left alone in the early stages of pregnancy. This would include any powerful breathing techniques such as bhastrika.
Because the female has a wider pelvis, which has been adapted for pregnancy, the way she moves has also been adapted-I try to bear in mind this evolutionary adaptation in the standing positions. the wider pelvis can also mean that females are more prone to standing with an increased curve in the lower back, and greater strain on the inner knees. I try to correct these tendencies whenever I see them. The list is endless!
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My Sivananda class is mainly girls and whilst they are still in the majority in my Iyengar class, there are both more men and they also seem to stay with classes longer. My Sivananda tutor is male, the Iyengar a woman. She's more hands on and actively encourages the students to comment on each other when she's using one of us to demonstrate why we're all in disaster-asana. He's more verbal and includes more dynamic routines, breathing, and relaxation/meditation techniques. Both are traditional and work us hard (though she's tougher on us). We do more partner yoga in the Iyengar class.
Admittedly my Iyengar teacher is pretty and girly whilst still being a tough task-master 
Nick, I recognise that sway-back thang *quickly pulls in that pesky naval toward my spine*!
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Thanks Green Jello,
I have one guy in my class, and I don't treat him any differently - but its nice to know what can hurt you guys so I make sure I don't do any hands on that could squeeze the boys...
Sounds like you've got a good handle on things already. It's also partially up to the student to yelp when things hurt, every body is different, so it's going to vary a lot even within the same sex.
I'd also like to say I agree with Nick, the strength demands of Ashtanga really appeals to guys. The fitness guy at the local studio uses a LOT of the pure strength poses, and usually has a higher number of guys in his classes. Obviously there could be other reasons, including a lack of new age stuff, and that he's a male instructor, but I think the strength requiring poses is key. So maybe throw in a navasana, or arm balance or something.
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| Orbilia - 2006-02-16 11:08 AM
I'm not surprised GJ..... I have an Anusara tape (no tutors in this form for 100s of miles here) and it's too fluffy waffly for me!
Yeah, I think I really po'ed the instructor the other day. Before class she passed out all these cards with some sort of mantra on them. I took one, looked it over and handed it back to her. When she asked why, I said "This doesn't the summon the devil, what's the point?"
In all seriousness, they offer Anusara at the local studio for beginners. I take it occasionally after a Yogalates workout because I like the lady who teaches it. She's got about 15-20 years of yoga instruction, and has helped me a lot of alignment issues. Some of her pre-class lectures bother me for the airy-fairy nonsense, some of them I like.
The first time I took her class I figured I wouldn't be back, mainly for the reasons I mentioned. However, I've found that the yogalates class is enough to wear me out to the point that the anusara is almost challenging. |
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Thought I'd change my avatar to something more appropiate for this thread !
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| GreenJello - 2006-02-16 11:23 AM
However, I've found that the yogalates class is enough to wear me out to the point that the Anusara is almost challenging.
GJ,
Have you ever tried to use the anusura class as less of a workout and more of an opportunity to play with the energy in your body?
I've found a certain reward in beginner's classes if I consciously play with breath, really work the bandhas, and awareness.
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GreenJello - 2006-02-16 11:23 AM
However, I've found that the yogalates class is enough to wear me out to the point that the Anusara is almost challenging.
GJ,
Have you ever tried to use the anusura class as less of a workout and more of an opportunity to play with the energy in your body?
I've found a certain reward in beginner's classes if I consciously play with breath, really work the bandhas, and awareness.
Try it. You might like it!
Yes, actually that was one thing I really got out of the first class I took. I felt like I could do everything requested, and not lose my meditative mindset. I've started to get that a bit with some of the more advanced classes, but Anusara was the first.
That being said, I spend all day sitting in front of a computer, not moving. When I get off work I really like to move some. At the time I took the first class I had a lot of nervous energy, so the ability to work all that tension and stress out in a yoga class was a god send. Recently I've been a lot more lethagic, so I could probably do the class w/o the pilates class first. |
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At our studio, the upper levels are much more challenging, and they obviously move faster. It's not Ashtanga, that's for sure, but it's a lot like Shiva Rea's Vinyasa Flow.
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Location: A Blue State | This thread is still sitting here on the top level of the forum....so, I am prompted
ask the following question:
Is it okay for a guy to just go ahead and "adjust" if he needs to during
a class?
I mean, I've seen well known male yogis reach down and move it, in front
of 50 mostly female people, when they felt it necessary to do so. But, you get the
sense from other discussions that women are embarassed by the sight of
men doing that. I say "women" because, ladies, men with other men
don't hesistate ('though I daresay I wish some would not make such a
production of it! ).
Anyway, what's the community viewpoint?
I was in a class recently where we were supposed to belt our legs together
(for backbending, I think it was) and for a guy that can be pretty entrapping.
I really wanted to simply put my hand down my shorts and rearrange, but here
I am bent over backward in a room full of gals and it just didn't seem...appropriate.
But still -- gimme a break, people adjust their bodies all the time when no one is
looking, and in yoga class we see a great deal of each other at a human level.
Where's the line between doing what is normal/necessary and offending those
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its our birthright as males to adjust our junk whenever/whereever we need.
would you rather take like .5 seconds to adjust, or have your items crushed during bow, or eagle, or whatever.
if anyone has a problem...they'll probably just go on doing what they were doing and internalize the issue.
don't make a big production of it, but i figure people will understand. or if you catch someone catching you adjusting yourself, use it to spark up a conversation after class.
"boy, you're lucky your sex organs are on the inside...you wouldn't believe how dangerous it is to be a dangling appendage..."
maybe thats not the best idea...
i see women adjust their breasts all the time.
same difference, right?
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Well, I don't know about that. I think it's not good to upset the harmony of
a class by making other people uptight.
Then again, Madonna was grabbing her crotch on stage during the time she
was married to Sean Penn. I always thought she picked that up from him.
But still, you're right that if you're in pain you should not ignore it just b/c
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Location: A Blue State | Those folks with their silly posts up in the Bikram forum don't realize that this is a serious topic. Hmmph! |
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| Guys, just adjust - it's very distracting having you roll around in agony ya know! The line is when adjusting becomes fondling, ok?
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| Orbilia - 2006-03-29 4:45 AM
Guys, just adjust - it's very distracting having you roll around in agony ya know! The line is when adjusting becomes fondling, ok?
Hey, it's mine, I'll adjust it as quickly and frequently as I want! Long as I keep my pants on it's completely legal right?
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| *Fifi* - 2006-03-29 10:39 AM
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