Drinking tea
frog71_uk
Posted 2005-03-04 6:22 AM (#18217)
Subject: Drinking tea


I hear we're supposed to drink 1.5l of water a day. I probably do, if drinking tea counts, but I have a suspicion that it doesn't? Does it matter if it's decaf or not?

What herbal teas could I drink that are not diuretics and are not going to send me to sleep at work? I don't like water on its own, and having a brew is a good way to socialise in the office, while drinking from a water bottle isn't
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Orbilia
Posted 2005-03-04 6:32 AM (#18218 - in reply to #18217)
Subject: RE: Drinking tea


I think it's best if it is water, but not compulsory. Alchohol doesn't count as it has a dehydrating effect.

My favourite herbal tea is lemon and elderflower by Dr. Stuart. It's really good for when you have a cold as the lemon is antiseptic and the elderflower is a natural expectorant.

Fee
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jeansyoga
Posted 2005-03-04 9:20 AM (#18228 - in reply to #18217)
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Yogi Tea has a nice variety of flavors and effects (not sleepiness). It is my favorite brand because the flavor seems a lot stronger than other brands. I don't like weak tea! They offer free samples on their website (www.yogitea.com) so you can see if you like it.
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Posted 2005-03-04 10:13 AM (#18231 - in reply to #18217)
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i believe there is now some debate in mainstream circles about the diuretic effect of coffee and tea. I'm sure the alternative people will stick to the no caffeine dictum because in some ways they are just as dogmatic as the mainstreamers But anyway, I think there is now some thought that you do actually net some fluid intake from coffee and tea otherwise half the continent (continent of your choice, and, incidentally a funny word to use in a conversation about peeing...) would be walking around like shrivelled prunes! and since caffinated drinks encourage excretion there is the benefit of more "throughput" - the kidneys are activated and the body is flushed.

Nevertheless, there are good reasons not to be drinking all your fluid intake in caffinated stuff so herbal teas are great. Funny that you would think they make one sleepy since many are good wake-up sorts of herbs. I find any that are berry flavoured, mint or citrus are quite enlivening. Even the smell kind of perks me up. Just make sure to read the label - everyone is putting out herbal tea now and I bought some Tetley that has all kinds of added flavour and colour Celestial Seasonings makes what they call a dessert tea called English Toffee. It has some chickory and other stuff that gives it a nice brown colour and some "body" so it is more like drinking a proper cuppa. You can even put milk and sugar in it. Very yummy
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tigrsunam
Posted 2005-03-04 11:51 AM (#18237 - in reply to #18217)
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mmmmm...I love tea. I starting drinking Green Tea a couple years ago because it was the right mix of flavor, strength and aroma. I love it. Since I've been drinking it I've been reading all these great benefits of it (fights cancer, boosts metabolism, etc)...which is great, but really I just love the taste. Coffee has always been too abrasive for me and usually you have to pull me off the ceiling after drinking only a small amount. Tea seems to be the right amount of caffeine that I need in the mornings. Though I can't drink it on an empty stomach or I will feel like I am going throw up. Also, I'll have a cup of tea after eating lunch or dinner and it satiates my desire for more food.

My favorite: Tzao Green Ginger!

A note to frog71 uk: If I don't feel like drinking when out I'll have a sparkling water and tell them to put a lime in it so it looks like a gin-n-tonic. I don't feel as lame and it doesn't call attention from my friends wondering why I am not drinking.

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Cyndi
Posted 2005-03-04 1:49 PM (#18242 - in reply to #18237)
Subject: The Benefits of Teas vs. Water



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Absolutely Green Tea counts as water.  Although, water has a different function and you still need to balance between them both.  1-2 cups of tea per day is fine as long as you drink water too.  As I posted before on the Bikram section regarding heat..green tea cools the body down, while your black and red teas warm you up.  Don't ever let anyone tell you that green tea does not have caffeine...it certainly does, but it also has antioxidants as well.  I get into this debate at Teavan all the time.  The green tea leaves are so much more potent as they are still green and fresh, whilst the Black teas are dried out. and cured longer.  I'm not an expert on tea, but I do know the functions of tea relating to Traditional Chinese Medicine.  Also, tea is much better without the refined sugar use raw or Turbinado.  I use honey...but don't heat the honey above 110 degrees.  You should never boil the water for green tea as it ruins the properties of the tea and you don't get the benefits.

Tea comes from many different sources and there are all kinds...some that you have never even heard of.  Tea was always used medicinally in China and still is.  When my TCM doctor prescribes herbs for me I have to go home and cook them and make a tea to drink. 

Drink water to flush the body of toxins and drink your green tea to help aid this process.  Tea has so many benefits and uses and is certainly better than cokes and coffee. 

You should read about the tea ceremony in Japan, it is so cool and is a lost art.  Whenever 2 enemies were trying to resolve their differences, the sat down with a cup a tea:~)

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kulkarnn
Posted 2005-03-04 3:55 PM (#18246 - in reply to #18217)
Subject: RE: Drinking tea


Dear frog-71xxx:

When you drink water in any form, whether through furits, or juices or caffine drinks, or just pure water, whether bottled or from rain, the body does not distinguish it at all. It will take water only when it needs wather. other ingradients it shall take only as needed. All other stuff is thrown out.

Body never takes caffien into it, and when forced it is thrown out, first through urine, then through sweat and then through lungs, etc. So caffiene can be taken in any form, it is always BAD for the body.

Almost all the teas which give high, whether small high or medium high or high high, are having a substance similar to caffien. And, all these are BAD, whether they come from India, China or any where else. Thus in general, Tea is always bad.

Now, sometimes people call juice as Tea. That tea is good, though calling it tea is not good.

Neel Kulkarni
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samantha77
Posted 2005-03-04 5:47 PM (#18254 - in reply to #18217)
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I Like Yogi Tea too! I usually drink their Stomach Ease tea when I have an upset stomach, ot their Bedtime tea before bed. As far as teas to drink during the day that won't put you to sleep: Celestial Seasonings is one of my favorite brands. I'm careful to not drink teas with artificial ingredients, and as far as I know, they don't use any. Their flavors I like the best: Peach, Blueberry, Strawberry Kiwi. I usually drop a tea bag into my water bottle too. It adds a little flavor to it.
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Cyndi
Posted 2005-03-04 6:27 PM (#18259 - in reply to #18246)
Subject: RE: Drinking tea



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I think what Neel Bhai is trying to say that calling it tea is bad because you really should call it CHAI, LOL!!!

Cyndiben says please don't take my daily ritual of drinking Chai away and say its bad:~)

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Empress Echo
Posted 2005-04-16 2:25 PM (#22136 - in reply to #18217)
Subject: RE: Drinking tea


I find peppermint tea very invigorating - also good for headaches and/or upset stomach.  Chamomile is my nighttime tea.

My doctor says that tea should not count toward your 1.5 ltr (or as he says, 8-z glasses) per day water.  I drink more than that, but I'm a bit of a wateraholic

Namaste!

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tourist
Posted 2005-04-17 11:44 AM (#22178 - in reply to #22136)
Subject: RE: Drinking tea



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Herbal teas do count because they don't have the diuretic efect of caffiene And some are now saying that caffinated drinks don't actually dehydrate as much as they used to think.
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kulkarnn
Posted 2005-04-17 9:45 PM (#22219 - in reply to #18217)
Subject: RE: Drinking tea


Dear Tourist:
All teas without exception, in fact even just hot water, has diuretic effect. They are not food, and should be avoided by any health minded person. Due to my Indian Origin, I do take Indian Caffienated tea, but I do not wish to add more things to that.

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tourist
Posted 2005-04-17 10:31 PM (#22227 - in reply to #22219)
Subject: RE: Drinking tea



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Oh Neel - due to your Indian Origin, you LOVE to debate! Yes - even plain, ordinary, room or body temperature WATER has a diuretic effect. I can agree. But it is less than beverages with caffeine. As you might say, this is fact. So are you saying that if one wants to ingest some peppermint or some chammomile it should be included in one's food? What is permitted to drink for the health minded individual?
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kulkarnn
Posted 2005-04-18 6:28 PM (#22316 - in reply to #18217)
Subject: RE: Drinking tea


Well science does not give permissions, that is called religions. Science tells what happens and let the person choose to do what they want to. However, cause and effect can not be set aside. So, if one drinks hot water instead of teas, it is better. If one drinks room temperature water than hot water, it is better. However, the health depends not only on what one drinks, it depends on many other factors.

However, there is never any occassion when drinking caffeine or any tea including herbal tea or hot water is good for health. They are always anti-Health, but less or more.


Debatingly Yours
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FamousLadyJane
Posted 2005-04-19 12:42 AM (#22346 - in reply to #18242)
Subject: RE: The Benefits of Teas vs. Water


Cyndi - 2005-03-04 11:49 AM

Absolutely Green Tea counts as water.  You should never boil the water for green tea as it ruins the properties of the tea and you don't get the benefits




How do you prepare it then? I've never done otherwise.
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kulkarnn
Posted 2005-04-20 10:14 AM (#22424 - in reply to #18217)
Subject: RE: Drinking tea


Let us have a Chai Party.

(at CyndiBen's House!!!)

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Laxmi
Posted 2005-04-20 10:13 PM (#22485 - in reply to #22346)
Subject: RE: The Benefits of Teas vs. Water


Hey Jane,

Well, you don't add boiling water to the green tea. You bring the temp down by letting it sit for 5-10 minutes...or when you are heating your water, remove it from the fire just before it reaches the boiling point. Then you can brew your tea. This only applies to green and white teas. Black and red teas need to be brewed with boiling water. This is also good for when your adding honey to your tea because if you heat the honey over 110 degrees you might as well be eating poison, the benefits of the honey is wasted.

Sooo, Neelbhai wants to have a Chaiparty in the mountains....come on down. The bees are coming this weekend so they can start making some honey to go with our chai. I love Chai parties. Today I had my chai and then took a nice long nap in the hammock with a cool mountain breeze and all those *earth* sounds...the frogs, the red birds, the wood thrush played the flute..aaahhhh. I know you are very anxious Neelbhai about your coming trip to India. I'm curious about which location in the Himalayas you are going to find snow. Satyambhai told me that in all of his years of growing up in Nepal, it never snowed..they only got to look at it from the mountains.



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FamousLadyJane
Posted 2005-04-20 10:27 PM (#22486 - in reply to #18217)
Subject: RE: Drinking tea


Thankyou! Very helpful. And, I was just going to brew some in 10 mins. Great that I cught this!

Peace!
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Cyndi
Posted 2005-04-21 10:13 AM (#22524 - in reply to #22486)
Subject: RE: Drinking tea



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Jane,

One more thing I forgot to add....if you are using loose tea, do one infusion and throw it out and drink the second one...it takes the bitterness out of the tea. Tea bags don't need that and you will not get more than one or two infusions from a tea bag.

Sorry about my Pokara picture on my previous post, it didn't work..I'm going to try it again..
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Posted 2005-04-21 8:38 PM (#22603 - in reply to #22485)
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Laxmi - 2005-04-20 7:13 PM
This is also good for when your adding honey to your tea because if you heat the honey over 110 degrees you might as well be eating poison, the benefits of the honey is wasted.


Is that possibly overstating the case just a tad? Perhaps heat destroys some good stuff, but to be clear, does not turn honey into poison.
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Cyndi
Posted 2005-04-21 11:04 PM (#22639 - in reply to #22603)
Subject: Benefits of Raw Honey



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Absolutely Not Tourist. Ayurveda clearly states that heating honey above 110 degrees turns into Ama. Honey has to be kept in its raw form to receive medicinal value. Even the bees keep the beehive temp. around 110, no higher for the queen and food for the worker bees. I can type for hours of the benefits of RAW UNHEATED UNPASTURIZED honey. I can also type for hours about Ama and the reasons why disease is so prevalent in this country due to poor eating habits and not getting nutrients because they have been nuked to their death before they reach the grocery store shelf, only to be nuked again and again by the consumer. In case you are not familiar with the term Ama. Ama (in the human body) is defined as raw, uncooked, unripened. Ama is a generic term for food that is absorbed into the system without having first been properly digested. Such partly digested material cannot be used by the system, and acts mainly to clog it, eliciting an immune reaction. Stagnant pools of ama in an organism breed disease as surely as a stagnant pond breeds mosquitoes. There is also another form of Ama which is mental Ama. It arises when the mind becomes unable to come to grips with disorienting sense perceptions, thoughts, emotions or opinions and leaves mental nutrients sitting undigested, polluting the mind with prajnaparadha. This could be a totally different topic but you get the jest.

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kulkarnn
Posted 2005-04-22 9:14 AM (#22652 - in reply to #18217)
Subject: RE: Drinking tea


Oh My. Hey, Tourist, you are forbidden to throw any things at me. If you enjoy this, Cyndiben is tougher than me, so use her. Now, this is the Honey Story, regardless of any methods, Indian, Chinese, Ayurvedic or Modern, or even the Future ones.

- Honey is NOT a human food. It is BAD for humans.
- Honey has high quality sugar extracted from flowers by honey bees, so that pollination can take place. This sugar itself is good for humans, but they have to steal it from honey bees and also, involves lot of other harm to honey bees, and themselves.
- While using the sugar from Honey, the humans have to process that honey in some ways, such as heating (BAD as Cyndiben explained), and other denaturization.
- All medicinal properties in the honey come NOT from sugars, but from the poisonous sting in it.
- Sting is an integral part of Honey Bee and it recirculates it for preserving the honey, and then eats it while eating the honey. This sting is neutral to honey bee, such as snake poison for snakes. However, for humans, the sting is very bad, and can be even harmful, to the point of death if taken in large quantities.

- Apart from this, honey has some good sugars and they are good for human body.


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Guest
Posted 2005-04-22 10:35 AM (#22662 - in reply to #22652)
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Neelbhai,

Just for the record..I do NOT steal my honey from the bees. Actually, I feed my bees continuously until they get tired of my food and forage on their own. Then I treat them for mites and help guard their home so that predators can't get in and destroy them and I also leave enough honey for them to survive through the winter. If they don't give me the extra box of honey, I don't take it, I leave it for them and I also continue to feed them through the winter if they need it. I do not harm my bees, I take care of them so they can pollenate my gardens and the area around me. They are truly beneficial for agriculture and it is dwindling fast because people kill them with all their chemical sprays and gardening techniques that do NOT support honey bees. Did you know that some farmers will actually rent beehives just for pollenating their crops??

Neel, Bees don't sting the honey...they digest the pollen from the flowers and then this process which is somewhat complicated to explain right now, is formed into honey. It is from their digesting the pollen that produces honey. This process is very complicated, if you like I can provide you with a honeybee 101 course sometime... but I will say that this is the reason you should eat honey from the area in which you live..the bees take the pollen from the area and turn it into honey. If you eat this honey, it will help you with your allergies and give you the benefits of the honey. I do NOT heat my honey, I eat it straight from the comb. Sorry Neel, I don't agree with you on Honey is BAD for humans. Everything without moderation and discipline is BAD for humans, including YOGA.

Now, to be stung by the honey bees...this is very GOOD for humans as it will help you with your arthritis and old bones. It also will help you build up a resistence to insects and other bees in general that way you won't croak and die from not having any immunity. I like to get stung at least once every 6 mos. for this reason. I have a neighboring beekeeper that is very radical about this and purposly stings themselves as a ritual for this.

Anyway, sure, keep throwing things at me...I can take it. I already ate that type of poison, give me some more...Om Nama Shivia..do you know the Shiva eating poison story Neelbhai???
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Cyndi
Posted 2005-04-22 10:38 AM (#22663 - in reply to #22662)
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You know what?? I hate this computer. Anyway, I'm sorry I keep forgetting to log in. I thought I would try to be organized and log in and out and even I tried changing my name. Oh well, its me Cyndi trying to explain honey to Neelbhai, Now, Neelbhai, would you please tell everyone the Shiva eating poison story??
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Posted 2005-04-22 11:14 AM (#22666 - in reply to #22663)
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P.S. BEES only sting humans for trying to steal their honey. Bees don't sting Cyndiben cause Cyndi feeds the Bees and she wears a Hat with a veil

Seriously, the bee practices vary from each individual. Nepal is one of the best beekeeping areas of the world, but like everywhere also has its problems too..such as one of the problems with beekeeping is that in some areas the beefinders go get all the honey and leave the bees without anything...the bees actually starve to death! This is NOT very good beekeeping practices and why here in America and Europe they have developed what I call MINDFUL Beekeeping. Although, even in America and Europe we have our idiots too!!
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kulkarnn
Posted 2005-04-22 11:04 PM (#22734 - in reply to #18217)
Subject: RE: Drinking tea


I am assuming that Cyndi+Guest is same in the above. I am worried about Cyndiben now. Honey does contain some of the material which is also in the Honey Bees's sting. That same material is what a)removes the symptoms of allergy b) reduces the swelling of arthritis, and c) causes burn on being stung d) and, also reduces the symptoms of sour throat on the catching thhe cold. That is what is called the Medicinal property, that is the removal of symptom. The symptom is removed in the process of removing the poision as a reaction to medicine by the human system. Now, I accept that I do not know the entire composition of the honey or the sting. But, what I am sure about is:

a) Honey does contain material other than the sugars which is harmful, and that is medicinal. When that material alone is taken, one can see its effects faster, or also by taking a large amount of honey.
b) Honey bees collect honey for themselves by working on flowers. Taking that honey, is in a way, stealing. But, if one is feeding honey bees, may be that is a better trade, even if they (bees) do not know it.

Shiva Story, I shall tell tomorrow or on Sunday, that shree Haunamanjayanti (BirthDay).

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Cyndi
Posted 2005-04-24 10:13 AM (#22803 - in reply to #22734)
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Namaste` and Good Morning Neelbhai,

By the way I didn't have a chance to tell you Happy New Year...so Happy New Year! Don't worry about Cyndiben, I think I'd rather be a guest...but today I'll be Cyndi.

Well, the girls are home now and doing just fine. They will be put in their hive tomorrow when the weather warms up...its 30 degrees here in the mountains and I saw snow flakes in Asheville yesterday...so pretty.

Okay, so if that is your analogy of the bees as far as *stinging* goes, I suppose I don't have a comment about that, since I have never seen them *sting* the honey. But, I'm sure that the enzymes that are in the bees are the same throughout including what is in their stinger....and it could be the same enzyme or poison if you will, that they digest the nectar and pollen with that evaporates the water, therefore making the honey. Are you confused yet?? It's okay, you don't need to know these things to *eat* the honey..you only need to know these things if you are going to make the honey and care for bees

My girls are Italian bees and they are soo sweet. Yesterday we were installing them in a crowd of 50 people standing all around. One little girl had her head inside the hive poking around, never got stung once. Bees are very interesting creatures and are so misunderstood like everything else in this world. I just wish people would not spray pesticides and harmful chemicals so they can flourish...we need the bees..they pollinate our trees and flowers and they are dying off at a very fast rate. That is why I am a beekeeper....and also because I like my honey - especiall with my Jasmine Green Tea...although this morning I had Indian Chai with Sourwood honey cause it's so cold. Take care
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kulkarnn
Posted 2005-04-24 12:47 PM (#22814 - in reply to #18217)
Subject: RE: Drinking tea


Welcome Cyndiben. Happy New Year to you. Last Sunday, I celebrated Ramanavami (Rama's B'Day) and today I celebrate Hanumanajayanti (Hanuman's BDay) in our Yoga Room. I shall remember you.

Thanks for all the understanding. No, I am not confused. Honey Bees do whatever and they they regugitate the honey (it is like vomiting) and they do add XXXX whatever the name or contents, which is Antibiotic material to Honey (nectar) so that it stays preserved. This antibiotic material which preserves the honey is the medicine, is the poison, and is the antiallergen, etc. That is what is harmful to humans, but not to the bees.

But, I love your Italian girls, and I wish I shall see them one day.

Peace
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Thushara
Posted 2005-04-25 7:48 AM (#22853 - in reply to #22814)
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How come 1 user logs in with many user names here? Wont they trap the IP ???? or do they log in using different IPS? Does this forum accept 1 user to use 2 ,3 login names ????? Im not talking about login as "Guest" either.

Quite a good idea though.. so 1 can always support himself or herself !! Way to go !!




Psss... No offence please Im just wondering...






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susanchain
Posted 2005-06-23 3:01 AM (#26095 - in reply to #18217)
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The water temperature should between 85c to 90c for green tea. Red tea and black tea can higher. The first infusion is to wash the tea,and the second infusion is to drink.
The flowers are very good to drink too. Jasmin, rose, chrysanthemum, carnation,peach blossom,etc are good materials.
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Orbilia
Posted 2005-06-23 6:02 AM (#26102 - in reply to #26095)
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The discussion over the content of honey got me wondering as I was always taught that it was simply nectar that had been partially digested by the bees and that the specific content varied a little hive to hive dependent on whcih types of flowers had been visited. It seems the memory hasn't faded totally according to a good article on Wikipedia :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey

One thing through, it is the high sugar content which preserves, not any ingredient from the bee toxin.

I always feel Spring has finally arrived when I see my first Bumble Bee of the year. I once had one stop on my hand to rest the 'shopping'. It was so soft and warm and I felt quite honoured in chose to rest on me.

Ah, comb honey *licks lips*. Love that on warm toast

Fee

Edited by Orbilia 2005-06-23 6:09 AM
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kittikat
Posted 2005-06-28 11:10 AM (#26333 - in reply to #18246)
Subject: RE: Drinking tea


kulkarnn - 2005-03-04 3:55 PM

Almost all the teas which give high, whether small high or medium high or high high, are having a substance similar to caffien. And, all these are BAD, whether they come from India, China or any where else. Thus in general, Tea is always bad.

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This quote upset me! (Not really! But I don't understand how tea is always bad. You should see me if I don't get a cup in the morning - now that is a bad sight!

Kat
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*Fifi*
Posted 2005-06-28 2:51 PM (#26353 - in reply to #18217)
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The folks in China (non-smokers, of course!) and Japan live the longest and consume tons of tea. How bad can it be? There's way worse things than tea and honey out there. If consuming either is your biggest vice then good for you.

Not to mention, the centurians in Europe I've seen interviewed drink alcohol and drink strong coffee and SMOKE! They probably eat meat, too. Crazy!

Thus, one can only presume the Mind is the best defense against sickness.
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Cyndi
Posted 2005-06-28 3:51 PM (#26362 - in reply to #26353)
Subject: About Honey and Tea



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Orbilla wrote:

The discussion over the content of honey got me wondering as I was always taught that it was simply nectar that had been partially digested by the bees and that the specific content varied a little hive to hive dependent on whcih types of flowers had been visited. It seems the memory hasn't faded totally according to a good article on Wikipedia :

and Cyndi responds about Honey and what I've learned so far as a honey beekeeper.....you haven't lived until you have observed a honey bee hive:

Nectar contains primarily sugars and water. The water content of nectar is high and has to be reduced as part of the process of converting nectar into honey. The reduction in the water content is one of the steps necessary in making the final product - honey.

Bees returning to the hive with the sugar-water solution (nectar) transfer their load to house bees, who release small portions of the liquid onto the base of their proboscis, or tongue. By stretching out their proboscis, the liquid comes in contact with air movements in the colony. This helps enhance the evaporation of water from the nectar. Then, small amounts of the nectar are placed in the cells, where futher evaporation and ripening takes place. As warm air circulates in the hive, fanned by other hive bees, the evaporation rate of the nectar is increased. The elimination of water from nectar represents the physical changes taking place in its conversion to honey.

Nectar from flowers generally consists of 60 percent water and from 30-35 percent sucrose, or table sugar; nectar also contains other components, in minor amounts. The sucrose is altered by the action of an enzyme called invertase, which breaks sucrose into the two simple sugars (carbohydrates) glucose (dextrose) and fructose (levulose).

These two sugars are the principal components of honey, with more fructose than glucose. Other sugars that remain after invertase activity include small amounts of sucrose and other complex sugars, depending on the type of nectar.

In addition to invertase, another enzyme in honey is glucose oxidase, which converts glucose to produce gluconic acid and hydrogen peroxide. The factors that endow honey with antibacterial properties include the hydrogen peroxide and honey's high sugar content (about 80%) and high acidity. The enzymatic activity in nectar represents its chemical alteration into honey.

When honey is reduced to ash, trace amounts of minerals are found: these are calcium, chlorine, copper, iron, magnesium, manganese, phosphorous, potassium, silica, sodium, and sulfur. Other components of honey are acids, proteins, amino acids, and vitamins - all in trace amounts.

So, I think I shall go have a cup of tea now...with some honey,

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Orbilia
Posted 2005-06-29 4:34 AM (#26406 - in reply to #26362)
Subject: RE: About Honey and Tea


Thanks for the additional information Cyndi. I love the paint job on your hive... very appropriate for all the girls in there

I knew bees were hard working in our eyes but the effort involved in reducing the water content is astounding.

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Posted 2005-07-01 12:15 PM (#26532 - in reply to #18217)
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not all forms of tea contain caffine naturally. most herbal teas do not contain caffine. there are many forms of tea that do contain caffine, though.

cyndi: i love beekeeping! unfortunately, i do not live where i can keep bees. I 'secretly' kept bees in my neighborhood as a teen (the neighborhood was afraid of the bees, so i kept the hive deep in the forest surrounding our neighborhood. lol i was a weird kid.

i can't wait until i can keep bees again! it's such a joy!
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Posted 2005-07-01 4:01 PM (#26548 - in reply to #18217)
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 2 things...

*cyndi have u read the secret life of bees? by sue monk kidd?

*also i am cuban. I was raised on drinking very strong (it is served by the oz.) black coffee almost daily (cuban coffee). Im only 5'3 so that explains alot....lol

 Ive cut this cultural bervage out by a LOT but i cant quite get rid of it, so id like to replace it with tea but do to my conditioning i just dont have a taste for tea. any suggestion? maybe i need a REALLY strong one... i dunno but everyone sounds like tea experts!

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Posted 2005-07-01 6:49 PM (#26555 - in reply to #26532)
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zoebird - 2005-07-01 12:15 PM


cyndi: i love beekeeping! unfortunately, i do not live where i can keep bees. I 'secretly' kept bees in my neighborhood as a teen

i can't wait until i can keep bees again! it's such a joy!


Well, Zoebird,

You can keep bees anywhere! I know of someone that has a beehive in Manhattan on top of his condo building. You'd be soo surprised. Although, it's probably a good idea to feel the neighbors out, but actually bees are so good for the environment and your area. I love my bees. They are so close to my house, never bother me or sting me...although, those **** wasps are soooo bad and ugly. Italian bees are gentle and sweet. But..I still wear a veil and suit while working the hives as it is dangerous and they will sting if your trying to steal their honey...They really don't appreciate me and the fact that I'm the one providing their food and shelter.

I'm fortunate in the fact that I live in the Nantahala forest area and am surrounded by nature. My worry is about bears not people,
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Posted 2005-07-01 6:58 PM (#26556 - in reply to #26548)
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qlatina - 2005-07-01 4:01 PM

 2 things...

*cyndi have u read the secret life of bees? by sue monk kidd?

 Ive cut this cultural bervage out by a LOT but i cant quite get rid of it, so id like to replace it with tea but do to my conditioning i just dont have a taste for tea. any suggestion? maybe i need a REALLY strong one... i dunno but everyone sounds like tea experts!



Hi Qlatina,

I'm suppose to be heading your way in August to visit an Ashram there. No, I haven't read that book, is it good??

To answer your question about coffee and the switch to tea. I suggest that you try Yerba Mate. There is a company in California called Guayaki - they are also on the web, that I've been enjoying lately. You do not boil the water though, you steep it in almost boiling water. I love this beverage and I love the energy I get from it. This is Paraguay, Argentina's national drink and the tea bags come from here. When you purchase from them, part of their profits go to the Guayaki Rainforest Preserve - which is somewhere I would like to visit one day:~) Anyway, this has been a recommendation for coffee drinkers making the switch for years, due to the energy you get from the tea, it's similar to the caffeine boost that you get from coffee...except this is healthier. You can go their website and read about it, http://www.guayaki.com

By the way, is it hot in Miami right now?? Atlanta was awful the other day, I was hoping that in August there would be a nice breeze from the ocean.
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Posted 2005-07-02 12:31 AM (#26564 - in reply to #18217)
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Well Miss Cyndi if your coming to Miami I hope the weather gets better, its been raining at least once a day for 3 wks ( i kid you not)and itsalmost always in the 90's. Its like breathing in water when u go out side. ( but for me, the rain gets me in the mood to practice) I do hope it clears up for your august visit. i would not count on it being very cool or dry so good luck with the hair!!!

The book is a coming of age story about a girl helped by a trio of bee keeping sisters in one of the carolinas. Its a beauiful book and reading what you wrote about the bees and honey reminded me of the eldest sister. If you have a moment you should pick it up.


Thank you for the tea idea, i'll go check it out, but How would you describe the taste? I'm a bit picky sadly...

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Posted 2005-07-02 9:17 AM (#26567 - in reply to #26564)
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hmm the taste?? It has a taste on its own.....but, it ain't the coffee taste I assure you,

I hear ya about the weather...here in the NC mountains every afternoon rain. I was at the drive-in theater the other night...IN THE RAIN. Huge lightening bolts coming down while Batman was trying to save Gotham City, I kept wondering if it was part of the movie.
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Posted 2005-07-02 9:48 AM (#26571 - in reply to #26567)
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Girl- I haven't been to the drive-in since high school! Those were the days! What a great movie to see while it was lightening was givening a performance. The tea sounds great also!
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Posted 2005-07-02 10:41 AM (#26574 - in reply to #26571)
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namaste2 - 2005-07-02 9:48 AM

Girl- I haven't been to the drive-in since high school! Those were the days! What a great movie to see while it was lightening was givening a performance. The tea sounds great also!


Yes, the good ole' days. This drive-in is an old historic theatre. It will be packed tonight when we go see War of the Worlds & Batman again. I like it because they play 2 movies and it only cost $5 to get in for both. I like the sound coming through my car stereo..better than the indoor theatre. People bring their dogs and kids. Its a nice family fun atmosphere in the country. I've actually seen teenagers pull in as a couple. After parking, they open the trunk to have 3 or 4 more pile out...its too funny. Take care,

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Posted 2005-07-05 12:36 AM (#26684 - in reply to #18217)
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i love bees. my neighbors don't like me, though.

here are the things that they've complained about in the last year:

1. they don't like the color of my interior wall paint and therefore they don't want me to keep my curtains open because it's not a neutral color and it doesn't lend it'self to the 'cohesion of the neighborhood.' (i told them they could F themselves).

2. they don't like my choices for curtains, or that i walk around nude in my own home when children can peer through my curtains and see me in the nude. (I told them to stop being filthy peeping toms and teach their children not to do it either).

3. they don't like that i have this odd tendency to meditate watching the sunset with my husband. they don't like me telling the neighborhood children, when they ask what we're doing, that we are meditating. (i told them that it is my right to watch sunsets and meditate, and the association can't dictate my religious practices.)

4. they don't like that i planted an organic container garden that has a butterfly focus. I then had nice signs printed up that said, in english and spanish, "please do not spray chemical fertilizers or pesticides or herbicides in my garden area. thank you!" i bought a sign that matches many people's tchotchy's in their yards (like the ones that say "the robinson's live here" and "lordy lordy mike turned forty"). They wanted me to take away the plants because they "brought insects into the neighborhood and encouraged their reproduction" and because this "ruins neighborhood conhesion" when you have an organic garden in our neighborhood. (i told them to bite me).

5. my garden area is a cottage style container garden. In an area that is 8 ft by 10 ft, i have a bistro table and two chairs, two adorandak chairs, 1 large tub with a water garden, two large planters with butterfly gardens, four smaller planters with various happy colored flowers, three large tubs of herbs (cooking and otherwise), a large basket (wicker) full of carpet mini yellow roses and violas, some various containers (plastic bins, small metal trash cans, old boots, soup cans, watering cans, etc) with various flowers in them, and of course ground plantings in and around the neighborhood landscaping, a small bit of an old iron fence with climbing roses (only 3 ft high), three metal trash cans with lids (for cold compost, recycling, and trash), and a resin elephant that holds abright red-coral umbrella for sunny days (her name is lolo). They say that a cottage garden underminds our neighborhood cohesion and that the water garden, particularly (which is above ground, can't be seen from anywhere but my little area, and is full of plants), as well as other elements of the garden (iron fence, old boot, and soup cans were mentioned) are dangerous to children. {I told them to kiss my asp.}

6. in my garden, i hung tibetan prayer flags that were made during a particular yoga class that i gave. the neighborhood requested that i remove them because religious iconography was specifically against the home owners association rules, unless that iconography is christian. I told them that i'd see them in court.

7. i tend to practice yoga outside. they've asked me not to practice yoga outside for the reasons related to 6. i reminded them about courtrooms.

8. i mentioned the benefit of having a small group of bees in one of those old fashioned bee-baskets. Someone gave one to me as a gift. It didn't go over well. Something about 'kids dying from bee stings' and whatever else. I figured that i had enough flowers to keep the little guys busy all summer, but apparently, no. so, i figured, not really worth the battle.

if i had put it in before, i probably would have told them to jump off a cliff. but, since i did ask first and they said no, i guess i should go with it.

i live in a seriously weird neighborhood. don't even get me started. oh wait. . .
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Posted 2005-07-05 7:03 AM (#26692 - in reply to #26684)
Subject: RE: keeping bees


Ok, warning, rant about to commence *S*


zoebird - 2005-07-05 5:36 AM

i love bees. my neighbors don't like me, though.

here are the things that they've complained about in the last year:

1. they don't like the color of my interior wall paint and therefore they don't want me to keep my curtains open because it's not a neutral color and it doesn't lend it'self to the 'cohesion of the neighborhood.' (i told them they could F themselves).

In the UK, anyone poking their noses in through your windows would be opening themselves up to a peeping tom charge! Ever thought of taking up naturism *wg*?

2. they don't like my choices for curtains, or that i walk around nude in my own home when children can peer through my curtains and see me in the nude. (I told them to stop being filthy peeping toms and teach their children not to do it either).

Having read on, I see you have *s*

3. they don't like that i have this odd tendency to meditate watching the sunset with my husband. they don't like me telling the neighborhood children, when they ask what we're doing, that we are meditating. (i told them that it is my right to watch sunsets and meditate, and the association can't dictate my religious practices.)

WTF? Meditating is not even, necessarily a religous thing. If you want to relaxe that way, that's your business. Do you tell them their after-work drink gets up your nose? No, I thought not.


4. they don't like that i planted an organic container garden that has a butterfly focus. I then had nice signs printed up that said, in english and spanish, "please do not spray chemical fertilizers or pesticides or herbicides in my garden area. thank you!" i bought a sign that matches many people's tchotchy's in their yards (like the ones that say "the robinson's live here" and "lordy lordy mike turned forty"). They wanted me to take away the plants because they "brought insects into the neighborhood and encouraged their reproduction" and because this "ruins neighborhood conhesion" when you have an organic garden in our neighborhood. (i told them to bite me).

Blimey, they actually prefer to inhale pesticide?!

Given that I have a series of allotments at the bottom of my garden and that organic farming practices are generally welcomed in the UK, you'd be more likely to get lynched for having a sprayer in your hand than not round my way.


5. my garden area is a cottage style container garden. In an area that is 8 ft by 10 ft, i have a bistro table and two chairs, two adorandak chairs, 1 large tub with a water garden, two large planters with butterfly gardens, four smaller planters with various happy colored flowers, three large tubs of herbs (cooking and otherwise), a large basket (wicker) full of carpet mini yellow roses and violas, some various containers (plastic bins, small metal trash cans, old boots, soup cans, watering cans, etc) with various flowers in them, and of course ground plantings in and around the neighborhood landscaping, a small bit of an old iron fence with climbing roses (only 3 ft high), three metal trash cans with lids (for cold compost, recycling, and trash), and a resin elephant that holds abright red-coral umbrella for sunny days (her name is lolo). They say that a cottage garden underminds our neighborhood cohesion and that the water garden, particularly (which is above ground, can't be seen from anywhere but my little area, and is full of plants), as well as other elements of the garden (iron fence, old boot, and soup cans were mentioned) are dangerous to children. {I told them to kiss my asp.}

What are they doing allowing their kids into your garden if you are as much a social menace as they say?


6. in my garden, i hung tibetan prayer flags that were made during a particular yoga class that i gave. the neighborhood requested that i remove them because religious iconography was specifically against the home owners association rules, unless that iconography is christian. I told them that i'd see them in court.

Ah, it becomes clearer. This is why I have such a problem with organised faith of any hue. The documented principles of any religion tend to outline a very healthy way of life (e.g. the 10 commandments) but those most loudly espousing their adherence to them also tend to be those who most abuse them and use them for their own ends in my experience.


7. i tend to practice yoga outside. they've asked me not to practice yoga outside for the reasons related to 6. i reminded them about courtrooms.

I wonder how they'd feel if you told them shooting baskets / practising football throws on a Sunday was against Christian teaching as it is a day of rest and they should be indoors reading scripture?


8. i mentioned the benefit of having a small group of bees in one of those old fashioned bee-baskets. Someone gave one to me as a gift. It didn't go over well. Something about 'kids dying from bee stings' and whatever else. I figured that i had enough flowers to keep the little guys busy all summer, but apparently, no. so, i figured, not really worth the battle.

if i had put it in before, i probably would have told them to jump off a cliff. but, since i did ask first and they said no, i guess i should go with it.

i live in a seriously weird neighborhood. don't even get me started. oh wait. . .


Heavens to betsy, it's this sort of behaviour that earns a community a bad name. For what it's worth, your garden sounds lovely and would probably earn you a Britain in Bloom competition were it located in the UK. Ever considered emigrating?

*S*

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Posted 2005-07-05 9:54 AM (#26714 - in reply to #26692)
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Wait till' your neighbors get a load of my place,

3 years ago I painted my house bright yellow and the roof red. Then I hung Tibetan Prayer flags all around it. (My neighbor commented about how it looked like his ole' barbeque joint - he can't see what the flags actually look like). My Stepfather begged and pleaded with me to take them down, he was afraid that the local white supremist group would burn the house down while was travelling...heehee funny!!

Needless to say I just re-painted my house white with a green roof top. I still have my gigantic Tibetan Flag (the one with the snow lions) hanging on the inner wall of my extended front porch, with the prayer flags extended from the house connecting to the trees. I have a water garden area with a pond, where the bees are, Om's and all, My husband wants to construct a Shivalingam in the pond so he can do puja. I want to construct a Navagraha (9 planet) to do the same. Fortunately, I live in the mountains where anything goes. These people drink so much moonshine that they barely notice things. In fact, everywhere in this area you see strange and unusual things...so it doesn't matter, we blend right in. Did I also mention that I'm right smack in the middle of a bible belt??? These are the moonshine drinking ones though. Did I tell you about Ernest T. Bass?? He lives down the road from me. Rides his 4-wheeler everywhere with his six-pack hanging on the front end and his dog either in his lap, or running along side of him. Say's he's rolled that 4-wheeler over a dozen times cause' he was so drunk...but he don't care - that's the best part, he keeps bees too. This guy told me once he scalped my other crazy neighbor's head and sent him to the hospital...the judge threw the case out of court because they both are just plain crazy and were drinking together!!! and they are still drinking buddy's!! That is why I have a Rottweiler and my Stepfather made me promise to keep his gun if I stay up here. I live in the middle of them and I told them not to get my house confused with each other....of course, we are all 3 miles apart. So, you think you got neighbor problems,
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Posted 2005-07-06 9:04 PM (#26837 - in reply to #18217)
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fee:

well, i don't think they'd take us. best we could do is get a few-month working visa. then, we'd be 'dirty illegals' (it's what the landscaping workers are called by our neighborhood).

would you mind housing a couple of 'dirty illegals?' remember, we garden, do yoga, and we like to be nude.

cyndi:

LOL!

that is a wonder of living in an area that's not a 'neighborhood' or planned community. I could live and die by a shaktiyoni and a shivalingam. i have huge paintings in one area of my house depicting them. Luckily, no body knows that's what those are.

some day. . .i'll live somewhere else. hopefully, it'll be cool.
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Posted 2005-07-06 9:30 PM (#26840 - in reply to #26837)
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Hey girls-

Just about fell over reading your neighbor stories. Cyndi-The Hatfield and McCoys are alive and well in your neck of the woods! As for the planned communities, my husband and I moving into our new hut next Wednesday overlooking the golf course-la tee da! I want to feed the deer at night right on the cart road and I know I will be in big DOO-DOO if ya know what I mean. The deer are so beautiful and there is still a lot of green belt around to keep the deer and other animals around.

Ya'll can come for a visit and run around naked around the 17th tee box! Those ole boys would flip out and cuss for a whole nother reason! Wouldn't that be the best! We could tell stories until we couldn't see straight. I would have to go to a drive-in with Cyndi and hide in the trunk to get in free. Those were the days.

Zoebird, are you in the UK also? You illegals would have a blast over here, right?
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Posted 2005-07-06 9:58 PM (#26842 - in reply to #26840)
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Namaste, I have an idea for you and the deer that way you won't be in too much DOO-DOO. Some people in my area put these Mineral Salt Licks out for the deer.. Yes, I know MOST of them use these things for luring the deer, but deer actually like it - that way it won't be too noticeable. Of course, Purina makes Deer Chow as well. You could always say, "ah, its just the ice melting from my cooler from a trip I went on", then hand them a glass of moonshine, Seriously, always keep the pansies blooming in the winter, deer love to eat them.

Okay, I'll bring my crew for a visit..especially if you need help "breaking" the neighborhood in,

Cyndi - who thinks uh oh, there goes Namaste's new neighborhood
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Posted 2005-07-07 5:38 AM (#26862 - in reply to #26837)
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Given that the area I live in has folk from so many different ethnic backrounds that the bus-stop looks like a quilt sewn by a colour blind mad-woman in the mornings, I think you'd be in good company

Fee

zoebird - 2005-07-07 2:04 AM

fee:

well, i don't think they'd take us. best we could do is get a few-month working visa. then, we'd be 'dirty illegals' (it's what the landscaping workers are called by our neighborhood).

would you mind housing a couple of 'dirty illegals?' remember, we garden, do yoga, and we like to be nude.

cyndi:

LOL!

that is a wonder of living in an area that's not a 'neighborhood' or planned community. I could live and die by a shaktiyoni and a shivalingam. i have huge paintings in one area of my house depicting them. Luckily, no body knows that's what those are.

some day. . .i'll live somewhere else. hopefully, it'll be cool.
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Posted 2005-07-07 5:38 AM (#26863 - in reply to #26837)
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Given that the area I live in has folk from so many different ethnic backrounds that the bus-stop looks like a quilt sewn by a colour blind mad-woman in the mornings, I think you'd be in good company

Fee

zoebird - 2005-07-07 2:04 AM

fee:

well, i don't think they'd take us. best we could do is get a few-month working visa. then, we'd be 'dirty illegals' (it's what the landscaping workers are called by our neighborhood).

would you mind housing a couple of 'dirty illegals?' remember, we garden, do yoga, and we like to be nude.

cyndi:

LOL!

that is a wonder of living in an area that's not a 'neighborhood' or planned community. I could live and die by a shaktiyoni and a shivalingam. i have huge paintings in one area of my house depicting them. Luckily, no body knows that's what those are.

some day. . .i'll live somewhere else. hopefully, it'll be cool.
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Posted 2005-07-07 5:39 AM (#26864 - in reply to #26714)
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Love it! Fancy doing a make-over in the UK ?

Fee

Cyndi - 2005-07-05 2:54 PM

Wait till' your neighbors get a load of my place,

3 years ago I painted my house bright yellow and the roof red. Then I hung Tibetan Prayer flags all around it. (My neighbor commented about how it looked like his ole' barbeque joint - he can't see what the flags actually look like). My Stepfather begged and pleaded with me to take them down, he was afraid that the local white supremist group would burn the house down while was travelling...heehee funny!!

Needless to say I just re-painted my house white with a green roof top. I still have my gigantic Tibetan Flag (the one with the snow lions) hanging on the inner wall of my extended front porch, with the prayer flags extended from the house connecting to the trees. I have a water garden area with a pond, where the bees are, Om's and all, My husband wants to construct a Shivalingam in the pond so he can do puja. I want to construct a Navagraha (9 planet) to do the same. Fortunately, I live in the mountains where anything goes. These people drink so much moonshine that they barely notice things. In fact, everywhere in this area you see strange and unusual things...so it doesn't matter, we blend right in. Did I also mention that I'm right smack in the middle of a bible belt??? These are the moonshine drinking ones though. Did I tell you about Ernest T. Bass?? He lives down the road from me. Rides his 4-wheeler everywhere with his six-pack hanging on the front end and his dog either in his lap, or running along side of him. Say's he's rolled that 4-wheeler over a dozen times cause' he was so drunk...but he don't care - that's the best part, he keeps bees too. This guy told me once he scalped my other crazy neighbor's head and sent him to the hospital...the judge threw the case out of court because they both are just plain crazy and were drinking together!!! and they are still drinking buddy's!! That is why I have a Rottweiler and my Stepfather made me promise to keep his gun if I stay up here. I live in the middle of them and I told them not to get my house confused with each other....of course, we are all 3 miles apart. So, you think you got neighbor problems,
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Posted 2005-07-07 5:48 AM (#26865 - in reply to #18217)
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That's a great idea.... we'll all visit for a month. Your neighbours'll be so relieved we've gone, you'll not hear a peep out of them for months and any future argument'll soon be sorted by saying "I agree. I'll just call my mates and they'll help me sort it out".

Thanks to the council re-zoning the area next to my old home from small scale commercial (think ethnic cloths shops, hand-made furniture etc) to large, and I mean huge, chain pubs of the most boring and loud kind, we went from being a pretty town square to suffering the following. Perhaps you should stick a large version of this mail on your gate or something in order to remind your neighbours that there are better things to worry about:

Folk peeing everywhere, including on my doorstep (one 'lady' even dropped her drawers in front of a restaurant full of people dining).
Folk defecating on the stairs to my flat.
Folk fornicating nude on the landings.
Folk chucking stuff, breaking glass, vandalising property.
Folk having stand up knife fights in the street.

I felt like the police were employing me as a professional witness by the time I sold the apartment to a property developer for a deliciously obscene amount of money (not 'yogic' I know, but I felt I'd earned it after 5 years of negotiations).

Fee


Edited by Orbilia 2005-07-07 5:50 AM
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Posted 2005-07-07 7:52 AM (#26868 - in reply to #18217)
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Fee:

there's nothing unyogic about good business or an obscene amount of money. but then, where are we supposed to flop now? LOL!

Namaste:

i don't live in the UK. I live in PA, USA--a surprisingly racist, classist, sexist, and oddly religious area.

i've only been to europe once--Denmark--and loved it so much, i wept when we left. I'd never experienced a place of so much peace.

To give an example, many danes told me that there is tension between 'traditional' danes and the new sudanese immigrants. the immigrants are not interested in assimilating into danish culture--but rather want to retain their culture in DK. To the danes, who are fiercely proud of their culture, this doesn't make sense--why immigrate to DK if you don't want to be danish?

Yet, even with this tension, there is still a great deal of peace between the two peoples. While there, we say a rather nutsy man picking on a small clutch of sudanese women (in black, muslim dress). We were sitting at a cafe. Ryan and I--always ready to step up to help someone, were about to get up when a group of young danish men, who had just been speaking to us about this tension said "excuse us" and got up and told the man to back off. Two of them then walked the ladies down the street to their waiting husband and explained the problem to them.

So here were people 'complaining' about the 'problem of the sudanese' but still defending them. Here, the 'problem of the illegal mexican immigrants' is met with a great deal of fear and loathing. On hot summer days, i make a lot of lemon and lime aid to give to the men who are working--my neighbors think it's terrible. Some of the men in our neighborhood started to yell at workers for kindly saying "hello" to neighborhood women while they were working. Ryan and I had to put a stop to that--it just wasn't right.

it's amazing how things are handled so differently. I work as literacy support for a non-profit organization where many migrant workers live. We teach spanish literacy, english as a second language, english literacy (for those who speak it, but can't read/write and as support to the ESL), workers rights and labor organization, as well as health-care rights (mushroom farming involves lots of pesticides; many of these workers don't have health insurance from employers; many are sick from the poison). Currently, i'm working on starting a specialized english-spanish yoga class too.

people don't get why i'm dong this for 'dirty illegals.' i'm really upset about that. racism, classism, sexism--these things really get under my skin. sometimes, i'm embarassed for/by my countrymen.
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Orbilia
Posted 2005-07-07 8:04 AM (#26871 - in reply to #26868)
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I bought a 3-bedroom Victorian Terrace house with most of the money so there's more room to flop now

I've not met any Danish, but the Dutch I've met were amongst the kindest, most chilled out folk I've ever met. Does it surprise me you can buy pot legally in Holland? No !

We have multi-cultural issues here too. Many folk don't recognise/understand the difference between immigrants, asylum seekers, and illegals. A lot of tension is caused where an ethnic group has chosen, as you say, to remain apart and not integrate. I can understand how first generation immigrants may not develop skills in English, but it upsets me somewhat when even third generation can't speak the language. If I went to live elsewhere I'd expect to have to learn the local language and to abide by their laws and not to expect it to be 'home from home'.

Fee
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Posted 2005-07-07 8:27 AM (#26873 - in reply to #26868)
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What a great read to laugh to!

Cyndi- thanks for the advice for feeding my wild friends with the deer lick and deer chow. You're the best!
Fee- thought I was going to wet my pants laughing so hard! People doing their business in public where they like sounds similar to when I lived in Boston. Saw a little boy pee in the street and had to pull my jaw off of the ground. Never had seen that before. Girl- you have a way with words.
Ya'll keep me in stitches!

Zoe- everybody here and I know Cyndi would agree, that the South is the worst for racism. Buzzz, wrong answer. The North is the worst in my opinion. Everyone still thinks of the Civil War, North and the South, but the racism is still very strong up North.

The workers on my hut are illegals and are known as wet backs-due to crossing the Rio Grande. I hate that name. I try my hardest to speak Spanish to them- so of them speak some English. Our tilers did such a great job on the house that I spoke with them for awhile in broken Spanish, I went back and bought them a cooler of beer to show my appreciation for talking with me and for a job well done. They loved it-it was towards the end of the day!

Been to Denmark and have Dane blood. Love the Danes. The Europeans, on average, show no racism. As a military wife living overseas, we were told we were ambassadors of our country. I was highly embarassed at some of our countrymen acting like jerks, thinking they were more superior to everyone else---asking a German "Sprechen Sie Ingles?" Can't spell German anymore so forgive me. I hear you on all accounts. To bad I don't look like a typical Dane, I look like a Copenhagener--a mixer of everything!!



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Posted 2005-07-07 8:30 AM (#26874 - in reply to #26871)
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Hey Fee- Sorry about the explosions in London today. I am keeping abrest of that this AM Thanks goodness you are away from all of that.
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Orbilia
Posted 2005-07-07 9:19 AM (#26877 - in reply to #26873)
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The boys peeing near my falt weren't so little, Namaste

Re London.... I guess they felt that with all our security in Scotland guarding the G8 attendees, now was a good time to cause mayhem. Obviously Al Q ain't into resolving world poverty either.

Still, London's been bombed before and if they think it's going to change a single thing about the way any Brit goes about his or her own life, they're going to learn the same thing as the IRA - we ain't for turning.

I live about 30 mintues train journey west of London. My mother was meant to be travelling to Bath today (further west still). That line hasn't been bombed, but the trains are still in chaos (no change there, Ed!). We think the authorities have grabbed travel slots as she saw a cargo of blood plasma being loaded.

Fee
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Posted 2005-07-07 3:42 PM (#26897 - in reply to #18217)
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namaste:

i've lived in So. California, Arkansas, and Pennsylvania. PA is the most racist, classist, and sexist. CA actually comes in second! AR was better than both of these. I find southerners to be very respectful people. are there race problems? yes.

largest KKK in the USA? PA!

Fee:

glad you're safe!
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Orbilia
Posted 2005-07-08 4:48 AM (#26914 - in reply to #26897)
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Thanks

Many years ago, I worked in London. One day I took an earlier train in, one that was running late. Had I been on my usual service, I would have been walking across Paddington Station concourse when the IRA nail bomb went off. Did I stay a work-a-holic after that? No! It makes you take a long hard look at your life. After that (if you're a Brit ;-) ) you say 'stuff it' and 'F**k them' and go about the business of living free. Watch the news today.... we're just about back to 'normal' already.

Fee

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Orbilia
Posted 2005-07-08 5:09 AM (#26917 - in reply to #26873)
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Tell me about it! when I see the 'Brit abroad' shouting in English to make a Spaniard understand on the Costas or watch them fighting after a football match, it makes me want to die of shame. When I go on holiday, I like to go 'native' and at least try to get a few phrases in the local lingo.

Fee

namaste2 - 2005-07-07 1:27 PM

I was highly embarassed at some of our countrymen acting like jerks, thinking they were more superior to everyone else---asking a German "Sprechen Sie Ingles?" Can't spell German anymore so forgive me. I hear you on all accounts. To bad I don't look like a typical Dane, I look like a Copenhagener--a mixer of everything!!



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Posted 2005-07-08 7:49 AM (#26924 - in reply to #26917)
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It is fun going "native" and I highly recommend it! I did it even in London and had a blast! I spoke with a Beefeater at "The Tower" and he razed me up and down. I asked questions about the ravens and what they ate and he told me that they fed them raw meat! He was a hoot! He loved teasing a Yank! Love the Brits and the way they talk!

It is a shame that fundamentalists take out their hatred on innocent people using "barbaric methods" as described by PM Blair. So sad . It is ironic how the GB and the US are united now and were not over 200 years ago. Thanks God we live in a free society and I agree that work is not everything. I wish I could convince my boss of that.

I am tired of working 11-12 hour days and trying to re-coop over the weekend. I teach yoga once a week and struggle with my schedule to get done with patients in time to drive 30 minutes to teach. My class makes my week! You have the right attitude, Fee, and I am working on mine.

One of these days, I will be able to run naked around the house, pee on the front porch in broad daylight and have myself committed to be ME!
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Posted 2005-07-08 8:03 AM (#26926 - in reply to #26897)
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Zoe-

Girl- I know about the CA thing. No offense to anyone in CA, OK? My mom lives in San Carlos, in N. CA.

When I was a flight attendant, I dreaded the flights to CA. Burbank and LA were the worst. I have been cussed out in LA and "me-me, I-Ied" in Burbank. The flight from Burbank to PHX is abaout 50-60 minutes, so not a lot of flying time. I had about 50 people to serve, the old fashioned way, no cart. Just tell me what you want.

Get this: I would like mineral water with 3 cubes of ice, a splash of cranapple juice and a twist of lime after I have a glass of H2O. What do I look like? Can you tell what I was thinking? How in the H$$L ......go figure. I make more money with little sharp things in my hands heading towards your big mouth!! haha

That is how I get respect nowdays, hee hee
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Orbilia
Posted 2005-07-08 8:09 AM (#26928 - in reply to #26926)
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I thought situations like that were what 'turbulence' was for.... dropping hot coffee in laps etc *WG*?

Ohhhh, I'm soooooooooooo baaad *g*

Ref the Beefeater.... I'm surprised he didn't also tell you that the meat the ravens are fed is US tourists who ask dopey questions *ggggggggggg*

Just kiddin' honest!

Fee
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Posted 2005-07-08 8:21 AM (#26932 - in reply to #26928)
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Fee- I did ask the dopey question of what ER stood for on his back. The Beefeater did tell me the truth there, but I had to guess at it a few times. How embarassing! I have done lots of reading on the Tudors and should have known lots more than I did. Now I am prepared next time I go!

Re: turbulence. I did spill some, but yoga helped with the balance..too bad. Now the revenge I loved to do. CROP DUST. Girl, if someone gave me the I ate peanuts and raisins, let them ferment, and blew dirt up and down the aisle, thus crop dusting. Ask any flight attendant in the US of course. Don't know about you Brits. May not be up your alley, haha

Love to raze ya!
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Orbilia
Posted 2005-07-08 8:26 AM (#26933 - in reply to #26932)
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Love it *s* You get some strange looks from tourists when you ask them if they're going to go have tea with 'ER up at the palace *ggg*

Fee

namaste2 - 2005-07-08 1:21 PM

Fee- I did ask the dopey question of what ER stood for on his back. The Beefeater did tell me the truth there, but I had to guess at it a few times. How embarassing! I have done lots of reading on the Tudors and should have known lots more than I did. Now I am prepared next time I go!

Re: turbulence. I did spill some, but yoga helped with the balance..too bad. Now the revenge I loved to do. CROP DUST. Girl, if someone gave me the I ate peanuts and raisins, let them ferment, and blew dirt up and down the aisle, thus crop dusting. Ask any flight attendant in the US of course. Don't know about you Brits. May not be up your alley, haha

Love to raze ya!
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Posted 2005-07-08 8:34 AM (#26935 - in reply to #26933)
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Fee- if you asked the AM tourists they would think you were talking about the show "ER". Lasted 10 years emergency room soap opera. DUH! There is a BIG ocean between us!

Duh me, Fee! The Beefeater had ER II on his back not ER. What a dope! Now I finally got it! I would have to have tea with ER at Westminster Abbey....gotcha

Edited by namaste2 2005-07-08 8:39 AM
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Orbilia
Posted 2005-07-08 8:47 AM (#26939 - in reply to #26935)
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The London accents tend to drop H off the front of words so my last is a play on words

In English : Are you going to see her up at the palace?
In London : Are you going to see 'er (pronounced as a word, not letter by letter) up at the palace?

Pun 'er = ER = Elizabeth Regina and palace = Bucks House = Buckingham Palace

Never mind, you can always blame it on the jet lag next time

I think it was Churchill who said that the US and the UK were two nations divided by a common language?

Love ER the programme.

Fee

Edited by Orbilia 2005-07-08 8:50 AM
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Posted 2005-07-11 8:49 AM (#27055 - in reply to #26939)
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Well ya'll- I'll be moving to the tee hut this week. Wish me luck and hopefully no bald spots will appear on the ole noggin from pulling me hair out! Ya'll have a great week and stay cool (it is going to be 100F today)!
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