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| Namaste. I am interested in Anusara yoga, have practiced Iyengar and other styles for a few years. However, I am wondering if anyone here knows if there is any push among Anusara teachers for students of Anusara to embrace Siddha Yoga or Gurumayi. John Friend lists Gurumayi as a major influence. Anyone who has been around the spiritual block has probably heard the severe criticisms of Gurumayi and Muktananda that are out there, usually put forth by people who were betrayed by one or both. The horror stories surrounding the Siddha Yoga organization are abundant enough to raise the red flag of "look before you leap". All of the principles I have read about Anusara seem sound and attractive, John Friend appears to be a highly accomplished yoga teacher and genuine good guy. His yoga has a beautiful vibe. It just strikes me as a little surprising that Gurumayi is cited as a major influence for his yoga, and that John spends a lot of time at her ashram. Maybe she isn't as bad as reported, who knows? I don't care if others have her or anyone else as a guru, but wouldn't want to necessarily hear that brand of spirituality touted in a yoga class. Tantra, great, Advaita Vedanta, yes sir...but Gurumayi and Siddha Yoga, that would be off-putting for me. Hopefully there is no real concern about this, any reply based on experience will be appreciated. | |
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| I think you're pretty safe in Anusra. JF is very grateful for his spiritual path and shares what he has learned and experienced openly.
I suggest you take a few workshops or classes with him or some of his certified teachers. You'll find that although JF's background is one thing, there is room in Anusara for each person's individual spiritualism.
Keep in mind what we hear and what is or was can be two, very different animals. People love to share and embelish the negative, while the positive things are lost in the mud slinging. I am not saying the whole Siddha yoga "scandal" is unfounded, but keep in mind that the yoga and philosophy stand on their own. Note that Kripalu remains a beautiful, effective method, Rodney Yee remains a fabulous teacher, Pattabhi continues to share Ashtanga and many of the other negative things that have happened in the Western yoga community have been unable to tarnish the actual spiritualism and practice themselves.
Remind yourself that men/women are not the yoga. They are human and carry human foibles such as ego and the "it's OK because it is I" syndrome. This was brought home to me when I was molested by a teacher. Although I had not looked upon this man as my guru, I did respect him for his accomplisments. When we elevate a human to represent our epitome of great or spiritual, though, we set ourselves up for disappointment if not deeper, sadly self-created betrayals. There are many great souls out there taking the seat of the teacher. Those who can set aside their own indulgent egos and live the life they themselves love and respect are indeed stronger, perhaps more awakened people. Nonetheless, they are not the yoga, the history, nor the philosophy of the ages. They merely offer us the opportunity to learn.
Experience and experiment with Anusara. For me, Anusara added the beauty back into my own practice. Ashtanga is very solitary, where Anusara offers me options of community, spiritual ideas, and positive thinking. We are all born beautiful and perfect. It is maya that we find our own selves less.
To quote Al-Anon? Take what you want and leave the rest. It is what JF might also suggest. Not everyone's path to the divine is the same. 
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| A beautiful and thoughtful reply, Christine, one that shows an understanding of my concern and also a great understanding of the whole guru deal. I have been on a spiritual journey (search) for years, which has taken me to India several times, and I have spent much time with various gurus, teachers and among sincere fellow seekers from all over the world. I have known the dissapointment you mention when I made the guru God, as is the Hindu way. I have also been blessed to be with some great masters who were unassuming, non-egotistical and not sexual preditors or control addicts. I tend to respect them more than the other type. You are right, some yoga schools and organizations have survived the taint of scandal, caused by their chief teacher. It is always there, though, even if diminished in time. Too bad offending teachers can't see that before they cross the line, but as you said, they are human. I was fortunate to finally meet the one who was not my Guru, but my Friend. She showed me the end of searching, finally and forever. This is the main reason I resist any guru being part of my yoga practice, I just don't need one anymore, thank God. If Gurumayi gave JF good things, and continues to do so, then that may be all that matters, the proof is in the pudding. I will keep an open mind, and give Anusara a fair shake. I like that open hearted approach, I love Iyengar, but sometimes it is just a tad dry, n'est-ce pas?
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| Kalidas, I always feel the urge to respond when people mention Iyengar being dry or not "friendly." I have indeed heard stories that confirm that notion but I like to put it out there that not all Iyengar is dry and "strict". My own teachers are always joyful and funny and encouraging, as I myself try to be 
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| Then you understood from where I was coing, Kalidas. Good. I can't tell you there are not those who elevate JF to sainthood, because there are. But it's not a requirement to practice Anusara.
It sounds like you have had wonderful experiences. I would suggest you open to the concept of guru again. You don't need to accept a single person as your one and only, or close off the idea that at another place in your life another might appear, right? Who knows. Since everyone has something to teach us, perhaps another someone might become more of a friend/guru again. For a different time, different place, different path, different purpose.
I happen to agree with you about Iyengar yoga, but as tourist indicated, it might be our teachers. Here, there is one major, huge, famous, renown Iyengar studio owner. He teaches in the traditional Indian manner which I find very akin to verbal abuse. (Sorry. I did domestic violence counseling for years and it wore me out. I'm very sensitive to control tactics.) It also tends to be clinical, dry, and disapproving. I happen to think Tourist lucked out and believe her teachers might not be the only ones in the Iyengar world who find joy teaching. Nonetheless, I value my Iyengar instruction and with a schedule change at the Ashtanga studio, I'm going to go back and take a Level III again on Sunday mornings.
Anyway. Enjoy your Anusara experience. I think you'll find it does feed your soul in nice ways.
Plus, those darned loops and spirals make the Iyengar system make sense and always work!
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| Thanks for your thoughts, Tourist, actually, my Iyengar teachers are all friendly, highly skilled and great to take yoga from. One is much tougher than the others, but he has a good sense of humor. I like Iyengar yoga a lot, it is all I do right now. The 'dry' part just goes to my years of practicing bhakti yoga. So Anusara, with it's emphasis on heart opening sounds appealing, as does the simpler means of expressing alignment. I originally took Iyengar just to improve my alignment in the asanas, no plan to make it my sole yoga. That just happened. I know Iyengar is the one system that actually takes the student to Atma Darshan in the end, and that is where the spiritual dimension really is addressed. I reap great benefits from Iyengar yoga, and will probably keep it as my main focus. The use of props has been extremely uselful for me as well.
Namaste, KDas. | |
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| Thanks Christine, all I can say is, once it happened, once I had the profound good fortune to find the one who could stop my seeking once and for all, I knew without a doubt that no guru would ever be necessary again. In fact a guru would be absurdly extraneous. It may take a seeker to understand this. A seeker is a rare bird. We (seekers) cannot stop looking for some sort of final understanding, we have to have it. It is an obsession that becomes the sole aim of life. Union, Awakening, Enlightenment, all of these words that in the end are meaningless, are our driving force. It is like being an alcoholic. There is no control, we are driven. We must have this thing. That is what has stopped once and for all for me. Of course there is always more to learn, people to learn from. I use guru in the Sat-guru sense, so when I say no more gurus, that is what I mean. I liked what you said about the "concept of guru", for that One is indeed within, and staying open to It is important and a never ending, always expanding joy. As far as hatha yoga and all things related, I could learn from just about anybody, and gladly do.
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| The John Friend/Anusara newsletter just came out and I thought of you immediately with this article on Anusara Philosophy. Here is the blurb:
"I have received very positive response to the last Anusara newsletter and the announcement that we have made a new, clear distinction between Anusara philosophy and Rajanaka Tantra which will allow both closely related systems to further flourish. At the same time a couple of main questions arose from some of our teachers. To further clarify the connection between Anusara and Rajanaka I offer the following two questions and answers: "
and I will offer you the link to the remainder of the article here.
I think you'll find this interesting.
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| Thanks for that link, Christine. I didn't realize there was a whole Anusara philosophy to go along w/ the physical practice... veryinteresting reading.
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| Then you'd forgotten the other limbs of yoga, right?
Yoga is the whole package. It's what we choose to take from it at any given point in our lives is what makes us interesting and unique, while influencing how and where we go on our life and yogic path.
My own pragmatism frequently prevents me from joining into group spiritualism. However, there are things in the Anusara tradition that speak to me, as does the silent focus of Ashtanga, the alignment of Ieygnar, the lifestyle of Sivananda, and so on. But I like to read about it in case today something new clicks.
Asana is not the whole picture! Neither is it simply pranayama. Service. Devotion. and so on.
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| there are things in the Anusara tradition that speak to me, as does the silent focus of Ashtanga,..."
I usually just think of the "philosophy" part as being of yoga as a whole instead of each form having it's own philosophy. But I get what you mean from your post... no I didnt' forget the other limbs!  | |
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| kd and christine - this issue was a concern of mine as well. christine, i just wrote you on the forum titled - iyengar vs ashtanga vs others - as i was trying to understand whether my new patha of yoga studies was to be iyengar or anusara. i neglected to mention my *concern* re: siddha yoga as i study tibetan buddhist dharma. and i have friends who have left siddha yoga blah blah blah.
thanks again!
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| Just some random comments, from practicing Anusara for a couple of years...
Anusara Rocks!
For me, the physical difference is the shift from attempting to achieve a particular visual form, to working to achieve the optimum balance of forces. The more I practice, the more marked this difference becomes. Most Ashtangis don't care about form, and most Iyengar yogis are all about form, but Anusara is about the dance :-).
Of the 6 or 7 Anusara teachers that I have studied with, _all_ have been extraordinarily positive. Indeed, positive reinforcement is muchly emphasized in the Teacher Training manual, and this makes a huge difference. Not that other teachers that I have had are negative or discouraging, but Anusara instructors almost never correct in a negative way, and they are always complimenting. Makes a huge difference in the whole class experience.
I also value and enjoy my friendships in the kula.
The alignment principles work very well for me, and practicing them has given me wild growth in my practice in the last couple of years. I'm having more fun with asana than I ever have.
I have a different religion and worldview and philosophy than John (I am a Christian), but I can affirm many of the principles of his philosophy, even though I disagree radically with the root of Anusara philosophy. My philosophical/religious stance is not a problem, so yours certainly shouldn't be :-).
I have found Anusara instructors and "serious" students to be warm, friendly, open, giving, loving, and playful. It's a good vibe :-).
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| elson -
thanks so much for that response. it got me SUPER EXCITED to leap into full-immersion anusara studies. i've been having commitment issues, chosing the *right* system to study to be a highly skilled and knowledgeable teacher and a *better* student. thanks heaps for the inspiration and your insights.
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| Fujirox - Good luck on your Anusara journey... the process to become certified looks like a lengthy and rigorous one! | |
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| elson - you be a funny one
thanks for your message!
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| I'm a beginner, and I've started with Anusara. I love my teachers.
And what Elson said about "the dance" is so true. The atmosphere is very light yet effective, very celebratory. | |
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| sounds great, kabu! i'm starting anusara this week. 126 miles each way - yikes! ya gotta do what ya gotta DO, right?
best -
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| Fuji, are you going to Anusara classes or are you doing TT? We have a student that drives about 3+ hours each way to take Anusara.melissa | |
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| hey gruvemom - i'll be taking classes, once a week. the teacher in the orlando area is a super fine human being and yogi. i've taken a workshop with him a few years ago as well as had some bodywork when i lived in that area. he walks the talk. he's my closest option as gainesville has no anusara teacher(s). i'm really inspired to hear about your friend who makes the hike as well. i'll remind myself of that when the going gets rough!
gracias!!!
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| Yikes, that's quite a drive. Our studio is about an hour away, depending on traffic.
I keep hoping either Sylvia will move her studio South, or we'll pick up and move North eventually.
Watch...they'll probably both happen at the same time.   | |
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| where do you live kabu? | |
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| I live in a Northwest suburb of Chicago (Des Plaines). Total Body Yoga is about 45 minutes away, but with traffic it bumps up to an hour sometimes.
It's such a bummer, because I have to jump through hoops just to get time to go to class. It's worth it though. | |
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| Fuji, my friend drives from Melbourne, FL to S Broward for the class! I PM'd you | |
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| okay, WHERE is there anusara in so. broward??? i recently moved from broward and only found anusara in miami. fill me in, please 
Gracias!!!
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| hey elson -
i just realized the quote re: if not being a good example being a really bad example -- i see it as a sig line on a lot of replies besides yours. i thought you were saying that to me, hence my reply about you being funny. sorry for that confusion 
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| Fuji, I PM'd you, but for any interested lurkers, there's Dr. Steve Feinzig who teaches at Yoga Connecction in Plantation on Sat., there's Christine Nones, who teaches on Thurs at YogaRosa in Hallandale.there are a few SBroward people doing Betsey Downing's 200hr Tt right now, so there will be a few more choices in Broward Soon! yay! | |
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| I had to laugh at people (whining) worrying about driving 45 minutes or so to a class. I live in the DC area and there isn't a thing that isn't that far away, practically, even if it's just across town. I moved out to the country and now it's 2 hours in morning traffic, 1.5-2 in the afternoon, and if I hit real rush hour? Forget it. Starbucks. Plan ahead, eliminate stress, do yoga.
If you drop Betsey Downing a note, she'll let you know who is in her training and where they are. She's very communicative and friendly. Of course, if you're up for a real road trip, go see her in Sarasota. She was in Denver this week and as beautiful as ever!
Ah well. Off to class -- that starts at 6:15.
Christine
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| thanks guys/gals!!! gruvemom - what is pm'd? personal messaged - as in my hotmail account? if so, it hasn't hit there. please advise as i don't want to miss any of your communication. good to know broward is anusara happening. i was clueless as those names are not on the anusara website. perhaps they're not affiliated teachers yet? if that's the case, for me to accure hrs i must study with an affiliate or certified anusara teacher.
i would like to move to palm beach or more north, say martin co or the space coast and am sending cosmic vibes to any and all anusara teachers in hopes that one or more will suddenly have a desire to relocate to one or more of those counties. how selfish am i?!?
wow, crazy re: dc traffic and commuting. i'll remember that one my way to o town on saturdays.
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| YogaDancer - 2005-05-24 4:11 PM
I moved out to the country and now it's 2 hours in morning traffic, 1.5-2 in the afternoon, and if I hit real rush hour? Forget it.
Well now...you're just nuts.
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That's bad, I agree, but that's what urban living is becoming. Sure would be
nice to see some money invested in public transportation, instead of the
$100 billion/year we are spending on George Bush's wars.
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| Kabu, when we bought our house 13 yrs ago, dh's 24 mile commute was 35 mins. Now it's min 1.5 hour | |
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| Christine, I'm really looking forward to meeting Betsey in October. My uncle lives in Sarasota, so it's a strong possibility that I'll get over there before then! | |
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| hey gruvemom -
fujirox in gainesville. how are you???
well, the commute to o town is proving quite the drain. i'm thinking to do betsey's TT next year (one weekend per month vs commuting to class each week) and was wondering if you could please connect me with your classmates you mentioned in an earlier email who are doing the TT with her now. i'd love to pick their brains a bit. have you studied with betsey at all? i have not as of yet. i must get to a class or workshop with her soon and check out the vibe. doug keller was in jax beach a few weeks ago - missed that, dang! he'll be in ft walton beach next month -- that may work out.
thanks, gruvemom!
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| hey gruvemom -
fujirox in gainesville - how are you?
i wanted to check in with you once again re: anusara in dade/bro co. as i mentioned a few mos ago, my plan A was to move to st pete and study in sarasota a few times a week, take immersions and do the TT in 2007. however, i recently was connected to an anusara yogi in gainesville (i thought i was the only one interested!) and he travels to miami to study with jordan, newly certified anusara teacher.
i left ft laud one year ago and am used to not driving in traffic and being around the intensity of that more urban area. the idea of driving to miami a couple of times a week for class is HORRIFYING to say the least. that being said, i'd move almost anywhere to be with my future yoga teachers.
i am going to check out sarasota this month and must head down south to check out the near handful of teachers in the s.e. kula. any thoughts re: teachers, driving, MIAMI, etc, etc, would be super great!
hope this finds you very well - happy holidays!
thanks gruvemom
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| Fuji, just so you know, there are some great Anusara opportunities in Broward. I'm doing an immersion w/ Jordan in Jan. at YogaOne in Hollywood, Christy Nones teaches all over Broward County, there's a relatively new teacher, Tobey, who teaches in Hallandale, Batya (she teaches w/ Jordan in Miami) is filling in for my teacher while he's away this month.
www.yoga1.net
I'm so glad I don't have to schlep to Miami, too! Jordan's immersion is the last 2 weekends in Jan and the first weekend in Feb @ Yoga One. There should be info on the website soon.
I met Jordan at the convention and he's great.
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| re : Anusara in Florida
I will be in Florida for holidays visiting family in Largo. If anyone is near there and would like to practice-please let me know!
I would welcome an Anusara practice friend. Also, Rita Knorr just moved to St Petersburg area from Chicago for anyone looking for a good Anusara teacher. She is affiliated or certified/not sure which.
Very good teacher.
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| hey kate -
garden of the heart - betsey downing's studio - is offeirng one class on mon, 12/19 @ 10a with jaye and on wed, 12/21 @ 10a with jaye also. mon is level 3 and wed level 2, i believe. this is off their series schedule which end the prior week but i have confirmed they are offering these two classes before the next series in jan. i'm going to check out the area for possible relocation.
good luck!
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| gruvemom -
thanks for the mail and the heads up re: a hollywood studio on the map - FINALLY, right? i am going to PM you, if i remember how to do that. and i'll remind myself to check my PM acct on this site
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| Oh, Fuji, I practiced w/ Jaye this weekend at JF.... he's a character - FAB! He grabbed one of my two friends for all the partner stuff and he was just a hoot! | |
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| hi fujirox & Gruvemom
thanks for the schedule at Garden of the Heart. I will be in after these dates...but will check it out.
Have studied w/Betsey twice & met Jaye at a training last year-he's awesome! so inspiring! We did backbend partnering.. he's a crazy yogi-man! so much fun.
I need to visit Sarasota & would love to see Betseys' studio. Do you study there fujirox?
Gruvemom-have enjoyed hearing your reflections on the workshop weekend. My friends who attended the training are still glowing.
my best-
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| Gruvemom and Fujirox.........I just happened on this site by chance and read you are in Gainesville and interested in Anusara......I attended Betsey's Anusara Teacher Training in Sarasota 2 years ago and it was wonderful....well worth the ride back and forth once a month. I am going to the Aug immersions and takeing some students if you are interested in going down. Love to meet you..........Mary Lynn | |
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| Going back to the top here - the question of does Anusara Yoga = Siddha Yoga (answer, no). Christine YogaDancer really said it all, and quite eloquently - but I thought I'd add my perspective as an Anusara teacher. Just confirming from the "inside" that not only was Siddha Yoga not pushed on us teachers, I'm not sure I ever heard John or any other certified teacher even mention Siddha Yoga or Gurumayi except in passing. Perhaps when sharing their background, ideas, a story but never as a tradition that we must know about or even look into.
There are Anusara teachers who are Siddha yogis. And I know a certified teacher who is a devout Buddhist. I know others who adhere to their Jewish or Christian faiths... you get the idea... Anusara says Yes to it all.
If an Anusara teacher chooses to teach about Siddha Yoga, then that is his/her choice, not a requirement or part of the system / method.
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| siddha yoga does inform and permeate anusara yoga. i do NOT mean that everyone who teaches anusara practices siddha yoga but, the connection is always there however heavy and obvious or however light and discrete. | |
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